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There are at least 42 different sources that attest to Jesus' life within 100 years of his life. To put this into perspective, the most popular person at the time of Jesus was Tiberius Caesar, in 150 years after his death there are 15 sources that mention him. The sources that mention Jesus come from several eyewitnesses - Matthew, Peter, John, James, and probably Mark, enemies - both Jewish and Roman, and several others. All suggest he was a real person. Many of his enemies believed he performed miracles and many of his enemies acknowledge the crucifixion and the rumors of the resurrection. It would be hard to find a serious historian who doubts that Jesus existed. Even atheists acknowledge this.
I think there are several pieces of evidence which suggest that God is real:
1) The universe had a beginning. This is no small problem for atheists because anything that begins to exist must have a cause for it. There can be no material cause for the universe because before the universe there was no time or matter. Science agrees with this. The Borde-Guth-Vilenken Theorem showed that no universe, nor multiverse, that has on average been expanding, can be past eternal, but must have a singularity. There are over 2 dozen different theories that postulate a natural explanation - however, none of them work, as evidenced by the critiques of astrophysicists themselves, and can generally be debunked in a few sentences, even if you aren't a rocket scientist. Happy to discuss them with you if you want.
2) The fact there is something rather than nothing. While we can theorize an infinity, none exist in nature. the fact that there is something suggests a necessary being to explain the existence of anything.
3) The complexity of the universe. Roger Penrose calculated the probability of just an inflation rate for the universe that would have created a sustained universe that either did not collapse immediately upon itself or where gravity was too low for atoms to form. The odds are 10x10 to the 123rd power. There are an estimated 10 to the 53rd particles, not atoms, but the smallest known things, in the universe. So just the odds of this are incredible. But there are dozens more examples related to the fundamental forces that show just how incredibly fined tuned they are.
4) The complexity of life. Even the simplest single celled organisms DNA is so complex that one of the discoverers of DNA, Crick, suggested that it was impossible to have occurred naturally on earth, and suggested panspermia as an alternative. Most combinations of amino acids, the building blocks of life, are destructive and will make a strand unable to function. Even the simplest 150 amino acid string is calculated to take more time to form by random chance, even if all necessary elements are present in pristine potion, than our planet has existed. Biologists and chemists can't even provide explanations for how some of the simplest proteins could have been formed, let alone explain how RNA and DNA came to be.
5) Consciousness. As Roger Penrose has pointed out, consciousness itself is not adequately explained by biology. Our ability to recognize our own existence, process memories, make decisions, is beyond the understanding of these scientific fields. An analogy would be a computer. A computer can run its processes, based on if-then coding make decisions, but at no time is a computer self aware and able to violate its own programing.
6) Morality. If you believe that there is objective evil in the world - such as chopping off the heads of babies, then that is evidence of a moral lawgiver. If objective good and objective evil exist they must come from an objective lawgiver. These things can not come from nature because nature is just following natural processes, there is no moral concerns.
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While we can confirm killings of innocent civilians in Kfar Aza and other parts of Israel at the hands of Hamas fighters, as of this writing we simply cannot confirm or deny that such deliberate beheadings occurred, given the IDF’s unwillingness to address our specific questions and the lack of substantiation from independent news organizations."
https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/12/40-israeli-babies-beheaded-by-hamas/
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Religion was later weaponized by power groups, that figured out that attributions to "god's will" were an easy way to justify anything. Powerful religious institutions were created to facilitate that purpose - and, as with all such creations, the institutions eventually took over and became the rulers themselves. The medieval Catholic church is arguably the most powerful authoritarian organization ever to exist in human history: it controlled and toppled kings of hundreds of kingdoms, it organized endless crusades against the Moslem world, it suppressed any dissent - and it even can be seen as responsible for the most devastating pandemic in human history, the Black Plague.
It is hard for me to see how kings and nobles could possibly be beneficiaries of the status quo, given that the church routinely appropriated their property and privileges.
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1 Corinthians 15:1-8 —For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
This is the consensus of scholars. Here are some of their statements:
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- James: AD 44-49
- Galatians: AD 49-50
- Mark: AD 50-60
- Matthew: AD 50-60
- 1 Thessalonians: AD 51
- 2 Thessalonians: AD 51-52
- 1 Corinthians: AD 55
- 2 Corinthians: AD 55-56
- Romans: AD 56
- Luke: AD 60-61
- Ephesians: AD 60-62
- Philippians: AD 60-62
- Philemon: AD 60-62
- Colossians: AD 60-62
- Acts: AD 62
- 1 Timothy: AD 62-64
- Titus: AD 62-64
- 1 Peter: AD 64-65
- 2 Timothy: AD 66-67
- 2 Peter: AD 67-68
- Hebrews: AD 67-69
- Jude: AD 68-70
- John: AD 80-90
- 1 John: AD 90-95
- 2 John: AD 90-95
- 3 John: AD 90-95
- Revelation: AD 94-96
Again, the creed Paul cites in 1 Corinthians 15:3-7 predates the New Testament and can be traced to within 3-5 years of Jesus' resurrection. The idea that hundreds of years past is inaccurate.  Considerate: 100%  
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Bible gateway is a very reliable site with many Bible translations readily available.
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Well then okay. How reliable is the website in describing how old the universe and life on Earth are? And what does it say about that?
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Well I was just wondering how it translates 13.5 billion years thats all.
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just_sayin,
AGAIN, your history of the alleged Jesus goes wanting!
YOUR PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN IGNORANT QUOTE: " It would be hard to find a serious historian who doubts that Jesus existed. Even atheists acknowledge this."
Heads up pseudo-christian FOOL, the first historian outside if the primitive Bible that mentions the alleged Jesus was Josephus Flavius, 60 YEARS LATER AFTER HIS ASCENSION! where this is an embarrassing situation for pseudo-christians like YOU! Like I've said before, its like Neil Armstrong landing on the moon, and it never was mentioned in history until 60 years later!
What makes it more embarrassing for pseudo-christians is that the subsequent alleged historians after Josephus Flavius that mentions a "Jesus character" is even further years out from His his alleged earthly existence which is more embarrassing to say the least!
How can there be NO MENTION from historians relating to the only one God Jesus that created the universe, mankind, the animals, and all living things, and where Jesus as God restructured the void earth for His HEBREW Creation only, whereas only 60 YEARS LATER TO START mentioning His alleged presence by Josephus Flavius?! Laughable at best!
Just_sayin, how far do you want to dig your hole that you will find yourself in upon this Jesus topic? Remember, the total MYTH of the Bible characters don't count for obvious reasons, get it? Duh.
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just_sayin,
YOUR ONCE AGAIN BIBLE QUOTE: "Even Jesus' enemies admit he lived and performed miracles. They spoke of the early Christians belief in his resurrection and spoke of their devotion to him as if he were a god."
What the hell do you mean when you erroneously state "their devotion to him AS IF HE WERE GOD?!
JESUS IS GOD YOU BIBLE FOOL as the following passages so state:
1. "Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," (Titus 2:13)
2. “Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours.” (2 Peter 1:1)
When will you ever stop being so God Damned Bible in front of the membership, and you call yourself a Christian, NOT! LOL!
NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN BIBLE FOOL LIKE "JUST_SAYIN" THAT CAN OUTDO HIS BIBLE STUPIDITY, WILL BE ...?
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And did he perform his miracles on a known con woman. And was it reported on a scam website? Oh no wait a minute it was reported in a scam book.
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@Dreamer
The link works for me, whereas, is it Jesus blocking your computer because he is pissed at you for what you are saying about him? LOL!
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Here are list of some non-Christian people who talk about Jesus:
Thallus (52AD)
Tacitus (56-120AD)
Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD)
Phlegon (80-140AD)
Josephus (93AD)
Pliny the Younger (61-113AD)
Suetonius (69-140AD)
Lucian of Samosata: (115-200 A.D.)
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Myth? Several people mentioned in the Bible are mentioned by extrabiblical sources - such as James, jesus' brother who is mentioned by Josephus. Others include John the Baptist, Paul, Peter, They have even found the Apostle Philip's tomb, and Simon Peter's home in Capernaum. In addition to this at least 23 New Testament political figures have been verified by extra-biblical sources. About 40 people mentioned in the Old Testament have extra-biblical evidence for their existence.
Only someone who knows nothing about the Bible would say the people mentioned in it are 'myths'.
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And by the same tocken I could more rightly say that people who know nothing about proven facts and evolution would say that its all myths.
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Hey maybe you can post up your testimony from the talking doney in the bible....Balaam's journey is thwarted by God's angel who can be seen first only by Balaam's donkey. The donkey is given speech to awaken Balaam to the threat......
There's you thinking the only talking donkey you knew was your moon headed wife .......
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u are drawn to the talking jackass???!!!!
Leave your wife out of this.
@Dee, you are tossing up slow pitches over the plate for me. Balaam's donkey is believed to have talked in the same way that Satan spoke through the serpent and God spoke through the burning bush. 2 Peter 2:16 and the Old Testament passage suggest that the words are really those of the angel (the voice of a man). Now if God is real, then it isn't too big of a thing for him to make a jackass talk (must resist making joke).
Well he made you talk so there is that.
Yet, science itself suggests that a universe can not create itself out of nothing
Does it indeed? You really ought to stop making things up. First you have to prove there was ever nothing then you have to show me your demonstrations of how you established something cannot come from it.........I'll wait.........
. It seems to me you are really the one appealing to magic and you want a pass on the magic that you believe but have no proof of.
Well you're wrong again I've made no claims as my answer is I don't know , you claim you do and appeal to magic, the burden of proof is still, on you cannot meet it.
You're not very good at this are you?
I openly admit that donkeys don't talk and could only do so by God's intervention.
Another claim you cannot prove.
But who intervenes to create a finely tuned universe out of nothing?
You again are appealing to magic as you haven't a shred of evidence for your fantasies
And tell me, just how much stuff can you fit in 0 space?
When and how did you examine zero space?
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***Does it indeed? You really ought to stop making things up. First you have to prove there was ever nothing then you have to show me your demonstrations of how you established something cannot come from it.........I'll wait.........****
You don't have to wait long my friend. On your calculator punch in the mass of all of space-time then divide it by 0. You may have to do this a couple of times, but you will eventually get the amount of space-time that can fit in zero space.
For nothing not being able to create something, that's a logic exercise. Since nothing has no properties, there are no properties with which nothing can create anything. This is a thinking exercise, so you may want to sit down for this. Ask yourself, what does nothing have that will allow it to make something? Here is a list of all of nothing's properties to help you as you meditate on the question:
And that concludes the list of properties of nothing.
Well you're wrong again I've made no claims as my answer is I don't know
Relax, no one is accusing you have having added an iota of substance to this discussion. However logically, if you are not appealing to an intelligent source as the source of the universe, then the only source left for you is the universe itself. Did the universe create itself?
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ARGUMENT TOPIC : just sayin still running as he cannot meet his burden of proof
You don't have to wait long my friend. On your calculator punch in the mass of all of space-time then divide it by 0. You may have to do this a couple of times, but you will eventually get the amount of space-time that can fit in zero space.
But you've yet again avoided answering what I actually asked ......First you have to prove there was ever nothing then you have to show me your demonstrations of how you established something cannot come from it.
No its more than a logic exercise i asked you ......First you have to prove there was ever nothing then you have to show me your demonstrations of how you established something cannot come from it.
This is a thinking exercise, so you may want to sit down for this. Ask yourself, what does nothing have that will allow it to make something?
Still waiting here is what you're avoiding.......First you have to prove there was ever nothing then you have to show me your demonstrations of how you established something cannot come from it.
Here is a list of all of nothing's properties to help you as you meditate on the question:
Here you go stop running.......,
First you have to prove there was ever nothing then you have to show me your demonstrations of how you established something cannot come from it.
Well your iota of substance is that an unproven magical entity created all and yet is uncreated itself and you call that adding " substance " to the exchange....LOL
Here is what you're running from ......First you have to prove there was ever nothing then you have to show me your demonstrations of how you established something cannot come from it.
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However logically, if you are not appealing to an intelligent source as the source of the universe, then the only source left for you is the universe itself.
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I've still made no claims that's all on you as in "Godidit" the excuse the ignorant and superstitious resort to when they don't know something.
. Did the universe create itself?
First you have to prove there was ever nothing then you have to show me your demonstrations of how you established something cannot come from it.
Burden of proof is still with you when are you going to stop running?
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YOUR PERCEIVED NOTIONS OF OUTSIDE THE BIBLE INFERENCES: Myth? Several people mentioned in the Bible are mentioned by extrabiblical sources - such as James, jesus' brother who is mentioned by Josephus. Others include John the Baptist, Paul, Peter, They have even found the Apostle Philip's tomb, and Simon Peter's home in Capernaum. In addition to this at least 23 New Testament political figures have been verified by extra-biblical sources. About 40 people mentioned in the Old Testament have extra-biblical evidence for their existence. Only someone who knows nothing about the Bible would say the people mentioned in it are 'myths"
Okay, so for your response above in not being "HEARSAY," cite your references to your whole quoted diatribe shown above!
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YOUR INEPT UNDERSTANDING OF THE THE TERM "HEARSAY!" "Here are list of some non-Christian people who talk about Jesus:"
Thallus (52AD)
Tacitus (56-120AD)
Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD)
Phlegon (80-140AD)
Josephus (93AD)
Pliny the Younger (61-113AD)
Suetonius (69-140AD)
Lucian of Samosata: (115-200 A.D.)
YES, look at the dates of their writings, where NONE of the names mentioned had eyewitness factual accounts of Jesus, but only relied upon what "others before them said about Jesus" where they too were NOT EYEWITNESSES! Get it?
The whole faith upon the primitive Bronze and Iron Age religion of Christianity outside of the Bible is built upon HEARSAY! 2+2=4! Therefore, barring the overall disgusting Bible and it's blatant contradictions, and where Jesus as God was a bloody and brutal serial killer, especially of innocent babies, the foundation of Christianity is built upon a house of cards!
NEXT?
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Our animal Gods became female God that ruled us in relative peace for 20,000 years.
We then went to the male Gods of War, like Yahweh, and have been gifting ourselves with the last 5,000 years of war.
We need a new God, but it should be a Goddess. Right?
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A false premise of yours is that historians are only accurate if they wrote in the time that someone lived. This qualifies as a lie of the year candidate on debateisland. Most historians today write about people who lived before them and we do not assume that what they wrote is defacto inaccurate. This is just special pleading on your part. Several of Jesus' enemies were alive when he was alive, even if they wrote about him later. Further, they would have had access to people who were alive when the events occurred. We can not assume that because they wrote about him a few years after he lived that he did not exist.
This past week there was news that a museum curator had declared one of the former Roman emperors a transgender person based on an adversarial historians account. Most people dismissed the claim based on the hostility that the historian had toward the emperor. Surely, what enemies write about someone can be skewed or inaccurate. That being said, you can often find some nuggets of truth in what they say. Here is a short list of things that Jesus' enemies said about him, that fit with what we see in the Bible:
1) That Jesus was a real person - no one in antiquity denied his existence
2) That he performed miracles
3) That he was regarded as a wise philosopher by some
4) That he died by crucifixion by order of Pontius Pilate, during the reign of Tiberias Caesar
5) That at his crucifixion there was an unpredicted eclipse, and Phlegon mentions an earthquake
6) That Jesus traveled in Judea
7) That Jesus had a brother James who was martyred for his faith in Jesus
8) That Jesus had followers who suffered for their belief in him
9) Jewish leadership was responsible for his death
10) He was called Christ, or Messiah by his followers
11) His followers followed his teachings
12) Jesus had the ability to predict the future accurately
13) That Mary was his mother and claimed to be a virgin
14) That the man who was his father was a carpenter and was not his biological father
15) Jesus' disciples believed him resurrected and a god
16) He was buried in a tomb that was later found empty
To summarize, this is what Jesus' enemies said about him (From Cold Case Christianity):
This is what Jesus' enemies said was true about him.
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Why is it wrong for a legal group to defend those who are seeking religious exemptions for COVID vaccines? SCOTUS has supported the validity of religious exemptions. Jehovah's witnesses have gotten exemptions for many decades for various issues. I don't understand how a group engaging in legal activity is deemed immoral to you. Can you explain why its immoral for a legal group to defend their clients interests with a religious exemption argument?
Have politics poisoned the evangelical church, or isn't more likely that you have allowed politics to become your god?
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just_sayin,
JUST SAYIN'S BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: "Christianity encompasses many people from very different backgrounds."
Biblically, the ONLY people that can be Christians are HEBREWS, period! Do you want to call Jesus a when He said the following: "But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24)"
Therefore, can you tell the membership in what sect of Judaism do you belong too?
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Well your totally right there lol![:) :)](/resources/emoji/smile.png)
But the thing is that the thing is that there is no such thing as a 100% Christian. In fact you could say that there isnt any more than 20 % of them who actually believe in God and go a long with all the crap that goes with it. But as a rule you will find that its the lefties who are ultra sensitive and week and impressional and fall for any thing who would gravitate to religion any way. Becase it is like a security blanket for them and they can still hold on to there dweeby fears and beliefs because the church harbors and promotes them.
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Then towards the end of the next chapter, 16 verse 24 after the religious elite rejected him he would say: "If anyone wants to be My follower, he must forget about himself. He must take up his cross and follow Me"
And of course today christianity has a wide range of followers around the world from multiple backgrounds.
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Factfinder,
What part of the LITERAL WORDS in this Jesus as God inspired passage don't you understand? JESUS SAID: “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24)
With your inept response in your post above, then YOU are showing that the primitive Bible CONTRADICTS itself, congratulations!
Additional passages that the pseudo-christian has to be JEWS to be a follower of the serial killer Jesus the Christ as god:
1. " Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples, for all the earth is mine; and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you shall speak to the people of Israel.” (Exodus 19:5-6). ........ What people are the "treasured possession" of God, and what people are the words spoken to of Israel, THE HEBREWS ONLY!
2. “‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan" (Revelation 2:9) ........It is more important to be truly a JEW, Get it?
3. "So they took the money and did as they were directed. And this story has been spread among the Jews to this day." (Matthew 29:15) ...... Only spread to who, THE JEWS!
4. "You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews." (John 4:22)...... Does is say salvation is from the Gentiles, or the Greeks, NO, only from the JEWS!
5. "Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God." (Romans 3:1-2) ........... Only the JEWS were entrusted with the oracles of God! UNDERSTOOD YET, HUH?
6. "The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue. Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so." (Acts 17:10-11) .............. Where did Paul go, into the JEWISH SYNAGOGUE! Who were more mobile than others, THE JEWS ONLY!
7. "Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.” (John 18:36). .................. Who is the kingdom of God handed to ONLY, THE JEWS!
8. "Because on account of him many of the Jews were going away and believing in Jesus." (John 2:11) ......... Who were believing in Jesus, THE JEWS ONLY!
9. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, Jesus was KING OF THE JEWS ONLY! "Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews" (John 19:19) ........ Do you want to say otherwise? LOL!
AGAIN, at your embarrassing expense, Christianity is for JEWS ONLY, as is the OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT explicitly show, period! If you want to show the membership with other passages that contradict the ones above, THEN THE BIBLE CONTRADICTS ITSELF WITH LIES, because both CONTRADICTIONS cannot be true at the same time, understood?!
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Well thanks for calling me inept. I understood what you were saying. Your verse of choice doesn't support it despite my "ineptness" Sorry if the true context of your verse embarrassed you. LITRAL words: If anyone wants to be My follower, he must forget about himself. He must take up his cross and follow Me" "anyone" see that?
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HELLO?!!!! What part of my 10 passages explicitly showing that you have to be a JEW ONLY to be a follower of Jesus the Christ as God in this link post:
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/172349/#Comment_172349
Why do you want to continue to make yourself the Biblical FOOL in front of the membership with your one passage that CONTRADICTS my TEN PASSAGES to the contrary?
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What does 'anyone' mean? What does Jesus mean there? Scholar want to be? What does he mean when he says "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."
Now, you want to claim contradictions, go ahead and I will agree. But when someone is so biblically illiterate that they pull scripture out of context to make a false point, well heck. You may as well argue for creationism, you'd have the same biblical understanding.
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Pathfinder, that denies the TRUE WORDS of the Christian God named Jesus that you have to be a JEW to be a Christian,
Let me try and digress to a grade-school level to help you understand a very simple premise that the Bible states you have to be a JEW to be a Christian, okay?
CHRISTIAN DEFINITION:
a : of or relating to Christianity, Christian scriptures
(Merrian-Webster Dictionary)
YOUR BIBLE QUOTE AGAIN: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life"
First thing, BIBLE FOOL, Jesus is NOT the son of God, but God Himself as the following passages so dictate, UNDERSTOOD?!
1. "Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness OF OUR GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST have received a faith as precious as ours.” (2 Peter 1:1)
3. "Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory OF OUR GREAT GOD and Savior Jesus Christ," (Titus 2:13
Now, let me go real slow for you this time to help you understand in what a GREAT BIBLE FOOL you truly are!
A. First, who was KING OF THE JEWS as this Bible passage so states: "Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews" (John 19:19) Does this passage state that Jesus was king of the Gentiles, or Greeks, or the Romans? NO IT DOES NOT!!! It specifically states that Jesus is KING OF THE JEWS ONLY where if you want to follow Jesus, you have to be A JEW! DUH!
B. When Jesus said the following; “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24) did Jesus mean that he was sent for the Gentiles, the Greeks, or the Romans? NO HE DID NOT! Jesus being the KING OF THE JEWS was only sent for the JEWS! 2+2=4, oil and water don't mix, and you are a Atheist that is giving this faction a bad name by being so Bible inept!
YOU are silently discarding my link shown below where I have shown you TEN TIMES that you have to be a JEW to be a Christian, which is a follower of Jesus the Christ, GET IT?
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/172349/#Comment_172349
NEXT ATHEIST BIBLE FOOL LIKE "PATHFINDER" THAT GIVES ATHEISM A BAD NAME FOR BEING SO BIBLE , WILL BE ...?
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Haven't silently avoided anything. I openly reject your babbling false logic. Define the words I gave you scholar want to be. Since you take such liberties of redefining the intent and message of biblical authors. You can pretend what jesus is saying don't count all you want (well except when you think what he said supports your misrepresentation and idiotic conclusions based on circular reasoning) but saying 'he ain't god' and then saying 'this is what god said' exposes your underlined failure of biblical literacy. Jesus/god never authored anything. Why would anyone respond to line after line of the falsidical tripe you post?
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Your child-like game of semantics to the word "anyone" is embarrassing for you, but you do not have the sense to realize this FACTOID!
The word "ANYONE" does not matter when I have conversely PROVED to your inept mind that you have to be a JEW to be a Christian in a perceived contradictory manner, whereas your feeble ONE VERSE does not stand up to my TEN VERSES proving that you have to JEW to follow Jesus! UNDERSTOOD?
Maybe you would be more comfortable in a "Children's Religion Forum" where their inept mindset is equal to yours, therefore, for your convenience here is one that you should visit to save any further embarrassment within this thread of yours: https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/86093-childrens-church/
ANOTHER QUOTE OF YOURS: "Jesus/god never authored anything."
To the Christians that we are against, the Bible specifically says that Jesus as God inspired and wrote the entire bible, get it Bible fool?! "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation, for the prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." (2 Peter 1:20-21)
How far do you want to go in being totally BIBLE in front of the membership? Huh?
NEXT BIBLE INEPT ATHEIST LIKE "FACTFINDER" THAT DENIES 10 BIBLE VERSES (TO HIS ONE CONTRADICTING VERSE) THAT SAY YOU HAVE TO BE A JEW TO BE A FOLLOWER OF JESUS, WILL BE ...?
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Oh stop whining. It's not your failure. It's the public school system. Go ahead, put down mommy's laptop, go up the basement stairs and ask mommy what "anyone" means. Then you might want to mention to her how desperately you need remedial reading classes so you quit getting the authors messages wrong.
You see? Your illiteracy causes you to make contrary, foolish arguments like: JESUS IS GOD YOU BIBLE FOOL and LITERAL WORDS. But then have to pretend jesus didn't mean it when he says: If anyone wants to be My follower, he must forget about himself. He must take up his cross and follow Me.
Contradicting your own assertion.
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There is a lot of proof that Jewry put man above God and not God above man.
Jews are not literalists to their written Torah and are led by their Oral Torah.
Key biblical words for this notion are Jesus asking, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?
The wise will answer no: Right?
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Religions are good in this way. Same approach does not work in most other areas of human life. Try pulling out a stunt like this when working as an engineer: "This specification says X, but I know the truth: it really is Y". See how long you keep your job afterwards.
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Yeah. But my disagreement 21century is his method of using what the bible says literally when it's convenient for him, when it's not then he must abandon his literal argument. And that embarrassed him.
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That said atheists can still can look foolish when we assert our own assumptions as biblical truisms as a result of isolating verses out of text and assigning false conclusions based our own incomprehension. Like when @21CenturyIconoclast claims the bible literally says only jews can be christian because jesus as god literally says so: I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24)
But then 21Century has to abandon his own literal interpretation argument when confronted with the fact jesus also says: If anyone wants to be My follower, he must forget about himself. He must take up his cross and follow Me. (Matthew 16:24)
21century then must deny the reality that exists and we see today, Christianity encompasses people from all walks of life. He also has to pretend jesus didn't mean anyone in the literal since in order to defend his false assertion: Biblically, the ONLY people that can be Christians are HEBREWS, period!
I know at the end of the day what is interpreted from the bible has no impact on life but I still like to point out fallacies used by combative atheists with no biblical understanding.
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Let me help you out here with some advice. If you're going to make biblical assertions by applying your measures of understanding then, you must be ready to defend your assertions when even one verse (this case many but only one is needed) contradicts your whole theory. In other words you need to reconcile any all verses that contradict you, with the same measures used to make your initial claims. Otherwise you look quite the . You can't employ two separate trains of thought because it's convenient. The same reasoning must be applied if you're to have a chance. 'Jesus literally means it when he says this; but not when he says that, is a logical failure.'
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Eastern religions are problematic in other ways, but, at least, one can follow them in a philosophical way without being called a heretic by other followers. No Buddhist monk in a monastery tells another monk, "You know nothing about Buddhism." They are all learning about it together, and not by meditating on ancient scriptures, but by meditating on their emotions and feelings.
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