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Should Israel Have Veto Power Over Creation Of A Palestinian State?

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  • BoganBogan 451 Pts   -  


    Some "freedom fighters."
  • JoesephJoeseph 698 Pts   -   edited March 10
    @Bogan

    I agree wonderful humanitarian hero's all.


  • BoganBogan 451 Pts   -  
    Were they the scumbags which set off the Omagh bomb which deliberately targeted men, women, and children?  
  • JoesephJoeseph 698 Pts   -  
  • BoganBogan 451 Pts   -  
    Does that mean "yes'?
  • JoesephJoeseph 698 Pts   -  
    @Bogan

    I'm not your researcher.
  • BoganBogan 451 Pts   -  
    Looks like I hit a nerve again.

  • JoesephJoeseph 698 Pts   -  
    @Bogan

    Actually it looks like I did the hitting as you're sulking about the IRA heros for the last 24 hours 
    .......why are you so b-tt hurt?
  • BoganBogan 451 Pts   -  
  • JoesephJoeseph 698 Pts   -  
    @Bogan

    A you tube video about red buses ..
    ...think I'll pass.....
  • BoganBogan 451 Pts   -  
    I keep hitting those nerves.   It must be okay for Irish devotes of the Bishop of Rome to bomb and kill innocent civilians, but Jews may never do it because they are not Irish    Sounds reasonable.   
  • BarnardotBarnardot 533 Pts   -  
    @Bogan ;Joseph seriously believes that those people are oppressing these people. 

    Well I hope he’s right because if I was one of these people I wouldn’t mind those people oppressing me any day especially the 2 blonde s hugging each other in the middle. I would let those chicks get on top of me and oppress me all they want.

  • JoesephJoeseph 698 Pts   -   edited March 17
    @Bogan

    You've hit nothing ,in fact the imagery you keep posting shows you're all emotional .......ahhhhhhh
    Bogan posts up a red bus in flames bawling his eyes out he's that emotional .......ahhhhh .....do want some big boy tissues you ?

    The brits weren't innocent you Troll open a history book .

    Seems its OK for Israelis to slaughter because they're Jewish. Sounds reasonable

    Phite
  • PhitePhite 94 Pts   -   edited March 17
    Joeseph said:

    Seems its OK for Israelis to slaughter because they're Jewish. Sounds reasonable

    When individuals choose to ignore Israel's illegal occupation, their illegal settlements, and their indiscriminate mass murder of innocent women and children, then we can safely assume that those individuals have extreme and unnatural affections for an illegal state that builds illegal settlements, and is now murdering innocent women and children.  Babies born in the mud with nothing for the mother or baby but assured hunger, filth, and disease.

    Support for bully-cowards is unconscionable . . .

    The growth and potential of the surviving Gazan children (everyone, really) has been effectively stunted. They are beyond going back to normal. They must think that the world hates them as much as the religious nuttter, nutanyahoo and biden hate them.

    The growth of humanity also took a hit and has effectively been stunted. We can't witness a genocide, do nothing about it, and then imagine that we're going to grow beyond that kind of willful indifference and blindness. We're all taking a hit. Watching a religious-nutter bully maul a weaker and fragile victim with impunity doesn't sit well with any of us, but we have to stuff it down and pretend that Biden represents the will or the morality of the American people.

    Joeseph
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 828 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: No Do-Over

    Palestinians could have had their own state in 1947.  They refused.  It's too late.
  • PhitePhite 94 Pts   -  

    Oh yeah, sure.  Gotta murder those kids and babies because nutanyahoo understands that Gazans are really the Amalekites, and apparently, you know as well as he does that they all gotta die.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 828 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: It's On Hamas

    @Phite
    Hamas, your heroes, uses human shields.  Hiding behind civilians.
  • PhitePhite 94 Pts   -   edited March 17

    No one is my hero.  However, you are hiding behind hamas to shield yourself from criticism of your support for a religious nutter who is committing war crimes against innocent women and children as we speak.

    Do you really believe that they all gotta die?


  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 828 Pts   -  
    @Phite
    Gazans voted for Hamas and put Hamas in power.  These are the consequences.  Sucks to be Gazan.
  • PhitePhite 94 Pts   -   edited March 17

    Yup, like I said, you believe that Gazan babies and kids gonna pay the price for what they've done. 

    You don't believe like nutanyahoo that the Gazan kids are the reincarnation of the Amalekites, and will be treated accordingly, do you?
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 828 Pts   -  
    @Phite
    Free Gaza from Hamas
    Factfinder
  • PhitePhite 94 Pts   -  
    Sure, free Gaza from Hamas.

    But first, free the Gazan kids and babies from the genocidal religious nutter who sees them as Amalekites who need to die.

    You're still hiding behind hamas to shield yourself from criticism of your support for a religious nutter who is committing horrible war crimes against innocent women and children as we speak.  Can you free yourself of that kind of "reasoning?"

  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 828 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Genocide?

    The Palestinian population has increased 8-fold since the Nakba The Palestinian population was 1.37 million in 1948, but by the end of 2012 the estimated world population of Palestinians totaled 11.6 million. This indicates that the number of Palestinians worldwide has multiplied eight-fold in the 65 years since the Nakba.
  • PhitePhite 94 Pts   -  

    And now you're hiding behind the issue of population in order to shield yourself from criticism of your support for a religious nutter who is committing horrible war crimes against innocent women and children as we speak.  Can you free yourself of that kind of "reasoning?"

    So, do you have anything real to show that supporting a religious nutter's war on children is anything like decent?

    Joeseph
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 828 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Ceasefire

    The ceasefire was broken by Hamas on October 7, 2023.
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 828 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Who Puts Civilians On The Battlefield?

    Hamas. 
  • BoganBogan 451 Pts   -  
    @Phite

    Phite quote  When individuals choose to ignore Israel's illegal occupation, their illegal settlements, and their indiscriminate mass murder of innocent women and children, then we can safely assume that those individuals have extreme and unnatural affections for an illegal state that builds illegal settlements, and is now murdering innocent women and children. 

    Then your assumption is wrong.     And I am certain that the Israelis do not want to kill women and children, but they are going to wipe out those bastards who attacked their people and slaughtered men, women, and children, using AK47’s, close up and personal.   And those Muslim terrorists have already stated that they are gong to do it “again and again”    So, the Israelis would appreciate it if the cowards and rapists who did that would stop using women and kids as human shields to hide behind.

     

    Phite Babies born in the mud with nothing for the mother or baby but assured hunger, filth, and disease.

    The population of Gaza has increased from 400,000 to 700,000 in 20 years so, that scenario is obviously wrong.       And if they live in filth and disease, it is because the HAMAS leaders take their stolen UN aid and live in luxury in Kuwait, while HAMAS in Gaza uses all of that money to build tunnels and rockets. 

     

    Phite qupote  Support for bully-cowards is unconscionable . . .

     Yes, your support for Islamic terrorists is unconscionable.      (”First, they come for me, then they will come for thee”) 

     

    Phite quote  The growth and potential of the surviving Gazan children (everyone, really) has been effectively stunted. They are beyond going back to normal. They must think that the world hates them as much as the religious nuttter, nutanyahoo and biden hate them. 

    Pity that you can not make the same connection for Israelis, who have been fighting off a billion religious nutters for 80 years.

      

    Phite quote  The growth of humanity also took a hit and has effectively been stunted. We can't witness a genocide, do nothing about it, and then imagine that we're going to grow beyond that kind of willful indifference and blindness.

     HAMAS insists that it is going to wipe out Israel, and you know what that means, and then you think it is wrong for the Israelis to shoot back? 

       

     Phite quote       We're all taking a hit. Watching a religious-nutter bully maul a weaker and fragile victim with impunity doesn't sit well with any of us, but we have to stuff it down and pretend that Biden represents the will or the morality of the American people.

     If a member of a supposedly “oppressed” minority group entered your house, shot your wife and your son, beheaded your baby, raped your daughter and took her hostage, would you sit around blaming yourself for “persecuting” the poor minority member, or would you go and get a gun and go after the bastard?    When the Arabs and the Persians stop shooting at the Israelis, in order to please their non existent God, then the Israelis will stop shooting back.  Simple, really.


  • JoesephJoeseph 698 Pts   -  
    @Phite

    Well said , I couldn't agree more.
  • FactfinderFactfinder 778 Pts   -  
    Phite said:

    And now you're hiding behind the issue of population in order to shield yourself from criticism of your support for a religious nutter who is committing horrible war crimes against innocent women and children as we speak.  Can you free yourself of that kind of "reasoning?"

    So, do you have anything real to show that supporting a religious nutter's war on children is anything like decent?

    No, you're running from the facts @JulesKorngold keeps presenting that counter your false claims. Israel hasn't been nor are they now committing genocide. Hamas put the Palestinians in the position they're in with the help of the Palestinians themselves. It wasn't just the militia that built all those tunnels over decades, plenty of civilian types helped and chanted death to Israel right along with them. Oh, and let's not forget Hamas doesn't care whether they kill Israeli children or Palestinian in THEIR nutter (jihadist) war on Israel simply because they exist. Use civilian children with no regards as to child safety laws to build tunnels that they can hide under the shield of even more civilians, sure why not? That's how all antisemites think. Right @Phite? At all cost Israel must go? That's the mindset you support as well as this...

    Use of child labor

    According to an article by Nicolas Pelham in the IPS Journal of Palestine Studies, child labor is employed in the smuggling tunnels with the justification that children are more "nimble." Despite calls from human rights groups for the Gaza government to stop the practice, regulation of child labor is lax. Pelham reported that "at least 160 children have been killed in the tunnels, according to Hamas officials"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip_smuggling_tunnels

  • JoesephJoeseph 698 Pts   -  
    @Bogan

    BOGANS HEROS VENT THEIR FURY ON WOMEN ......

    GENEVA (19 February 2024) – UN experts* today expressed alarm over credible allegations of egregious human rights violations to which Palestinian women and girls continue to be subjected in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.

    Palestinian women and girls have reportedly been arbitrarily executed in Gaza, often together with family members, including their children, according to information received. “We are shocked by reports of the deliberate targeting and extrajudicial killing of Palestinian women and children in places where they sought refuge, or while fleeing. Some of them were reportedly holding white pieces of cloth when they were killed by the Israeli army or affiliated forces,” the experts said.

    The experts expressed serious concern about the arbitrary detention of hundreds of Palestinian women and girls, including human rights defenders, journalists and humanitarian workers, in Gaza and the West Bank since 7 October. Many have reportedly been subjected to inhuman and degrading treatment, denied menstruation pads, food and medicine, and severely beaten. On at least one occasion, Palestinian women detained in Gaza were allegedly kept in a cage in the rain and cold, without food.

    “We are particularly distressed by reports that Palestinian women and girls in detention have also been subjected to multiple forms of sexual assault, such as being stripped naked and searched by male Israeli army officers. At least two female Palestinian detainees were reportedly raped while others were reportedly threatened with rape and sexual violence,” the experts said. They also noted that photos of female detainees in degrading circumstances were also reportedly taken by the Israeli army and uploaded online.

    The experts expressed concern that an unknown number of Palestinian women and children, including girls, have reportedly gone missing after contact with the Israeli army in Gaza. “There are disturbing reports of at least one female infant forcibly transferred by the Israeli army into Israel, and of children being separated from their parents, whose whereabouts remain unknown,” they said.

    “We remind the Government of Israel of its obligation to uphold the right to life, safety, health, and dignity of Palestinian women and girls and to ensure that no one is subjected to violence, torture, ill-treatment or degrading treatment, including sexual violence,” the experts said.

    They called for an independent, impartial, prompt, thorough and effective investigation into the allegations and for Israel to cooperate with such investigations.

    “Taken together, these alleged acts may constitute grave violations of international human rights and humanitarian law, and amount to serious crimes under international criminal law that could be prosecuted under the Rome Statute,” the experts said. “Those responsible for these apparent crimes must be held accountable and victims and their families are entitled to full redress and justice,” they added.

    * The experts: Reem Alsalem, Special Rapporteur on violence against women and girls, its causes and consequences; Francesca Albanese, Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967; Dorothy Estrada Tanck (Chair), Claudia Flores, Ivana Krstić, Haina Lu, and Laura Nyirinkindi, Working group on discrimination against women and girls.

    The experts are part of what is known as the Special Procedures of the Human Rights Council. Special Procedures, the largest body of independent experts in the UN human rights system, is the general name of the Council’s independent fact-finding and monitoring mechanisms. Special Procedures mandate-holders are independent human rights experts appointed by the Human Rights Council to address either specific country situations or thematic issues in all parts of the world. Special Procedures experts work on a voluntary basis; they are not UN staff and do not receive a salary for their work. They are independent of any government or organisation and serve in their individual capacity.



  • BoganBogan 451 Pts   -  
    @Joeseph

    Mate, since I would not trust a Muslim any farther than I can throw a camel, then whatever they say I just do not believe.     People believe other people who are most like themselves.   The Israelis are a democratic western style country.  So, of course I believe almost everything the Israeli say.   Especially, since Muslims in western countries shave proven to be violent, untrustworthy, welfare dependent, and crime and terrorism prone.   While Jews have made a significant contribution to western science and technology, even though some of them are liberals, who seem to want to destroy the very societies which have given them succour.      But even Anglos like you are guilty of that.  
  • JoesephJoeseph 698 Pts   -  



    • February 26, 2024

    Israel defying ICJ ruling to prevent genocide by failing to allow adequate humanitarian aid to reach Gaza

    One month after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered “immediate and effective measures” to protect Palestinians in the occupied Gaza Strip from the risk of genocide by ensuring sufficient humanitarian assistance and enabling basic services, Israel has failed to take even the bare minimum steps to comply, Amnesty International said today.

    The order to provide aid was one of six provisional measures ordered by the Court on 26 January and Israel was given one month to report back on its compliance with the measures. Over that period Israel has continued to disregard its obligation as the occupying power to ensure the basic needs of Palestinians in Gaza are met.

    Israeli authorities have failed to ensure sufficient life-saving goods and services are reaching a population at risk of genocide and on the brink of famine due to Israel’s relentless bombardment and the tightening of its 16-year-long illegal blockade. They have also failed to lift restrictions on the entry of life-saving goods, or open additional aid access points and crossings or put in place an effective system to protect humanitarians from attack.

    “Not only has Israel created one of the worst humanitarian crises in the world, but it is also displaying a callous indifference to the fate of Gaza’s population by creating conditions which the ICJ has said places them at imminent risk of genocide. Time and time again, Israel has failed to take the bare minimum steps humanitarians have desperately pleaded for that are clearly within its power to alleviate the suffering of Palestinian civilians in Gaza,” said Heba Morayef, Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa at Amnesty International.

    “As the occupying power, under international law, Israel has a clear obligation to ensure the basic needs of Gaza’s population are met. Israel has not only woefully failed to provide for Gazans’ basic needs, but it has also been blocking and impeding the passage of sufficient aid into the Gaza Strip, in particular to the north which is virtually inaccessible, in a clear show of contempt for the ICJ ruling and in flagrant violation of its obligation to prevent genocide.”

    “The scale and gravity of the humanitarian catastrophe caused by Israel’s relentless bombardment, destruction and suffocating siege puts more than two million Palestinians of Gaza at risk of irreparable harm.”

    The supplies entering Gaza before the ICJ order have been a drop in the ocean compared to the needs for the last 16 years. Yet, in the three weeks following the ICJ order, the number of trucks entering Gaza decreased by about a third, from an average of 146 a day in the three weeks prior, to an average of 105 a day over the subsequent three weeks. Before 7 October, on average, about 500 trucks entered Gaza every day, carrying aid and commercial goods, including things like food, water, animal fodder, medical supplies and fuel. Even that quantity fell far short of meeting people’s needs. In the three weeks after the ICJ ruling, smaller quantities of fuel, which Israel tightly controls, made it into Gaza. The only crossings that Israel has allowed to open were also opened on fewer days, further demonstrating Israel’s disregard for the provisional measures. Aid workers reported multiple challenges, but said that Israel was refusing to take obvious steps to improve the situation.

    In the case it submitted to the ICJ, South Africa argued that Israel’s deliberate denial of humanitarian aid to Palestinians could constitute one of the prohibited acts under the Genocide Convention by “deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.”

    “Now even the fodder is becoming scarce”

    Across the Gaza Strip, the engineered humanitarian disaster grows more horrifying each day. On 19 February, humanitarian agencies reported that acute malnutrition was surging in Gaza and threatening children’s lives, with 15.6% of children under two years acutely malnourished in northern Gaza and 5% of children under two years in Rafah in the south. The speed and severity of the decline in the population’s nutritional status within just three months was “unprecedented globally”.

    Hamza, a resident of northern Gaza, whose wife Kawthar gave birth to their fourth child on 17 February, told Amnesty International on 20 February that his family of six was barely able to secure half a meal per day amid severe shortages of food and water. After flour and corn supplies ran out, they resorted to grinding barley and animal feed to make bread. “Now even the [animal] fodder is becoming scarce,” he said.

    His wife gave birth at the already no-longer-operational Kamal Adwan hospital in Beit Lahia. She had no breast milk after delivery and has struggled to feed her newborn baby.

    The scale and gravity of the humanitarian catastrophe caused by Israel’s relentless bombardment, destruction and suffocating siege puts more than two million Palestinians of Gaza at risk of irreparable harm.

    Heba Morayef, Amnesty International

    “After an anxious search around the hospital, a woman gave us a small quantity of milk which we fed the baby through a syringe. My aunt managed to find us some milk today, I don’t know how, and she didn’t say how much it cost her. There is no rice, no meat. I went to the market yesterday to look for food and came back home empty handed: no meat, no chickpeas, nothing.”

    The looming threat of a full-scale ground assault on Rafah in southern Gaza, where over 1.2 million civilians are currently sheltering, would have further devastating consequences for the humanitarian situation.

    The limited supplies trickling into Gaza are entering through two crossings along the perimeter with Israel and on the border with Egypt. The two operational crossings – Rafah, on the border with Egypt, and Karem Abu Salem, on the perimeter with Israel – are both in southern Gaza. A ground operation in the area near where the Rafah and Karem Abu Salem crossings let trucks into southern Gaza risks cutting off the flow of aid entirely and destroying the last remaining vestiges of the aid system.

    “All around me people are broken”

    Amnesty International spoke to ten workers from five humanitarian agencies or organizations in mid and late-February who described horrifying conditions in Gaza, as well as ongoing, severe access restrictions. All said their ability to get aid into and around Gaza had either remained the same or gotten worse since the ICJ ruling.

    Humanitarians highlighted Israel’s failure to take obvious steps, such as opening all available access points and crossings to enable them to transfer aid more rapidly and on a larger scale to areas in need or to ensure that humanitarian operations did not come under military attack.

    A UN Security Council resolution passed in December 2023 demanded that parties “allow and facilitate the use of all available routes to and throughout the entire Gaza Strip, including border crossings” to ensure vital assistance reaches civilians “through the most direct routes.” Despite this legally binding resolution, Israel has refused to open further crossings to facilitate humanitarian access.

    Fathia, a mental health support practitioner, told Amnesty International of the challenges she faces with her family and work. She described the difficulty of trying to get her 78-year-old mother who has developed a form of dementia since they were displaced to understand why they don’t have enough food.

    “My sons are hardly earning any money and we can’t find or afford even basic food. There is nothing and the little there is unaffordable. My mother cannot comprehend this; she thinks we are neglecting her. I have come to the point that I wish my own mother died rather than see her suffer thinking we are neglecting her. All around me people are broken because they can’t feed their children, their families, and I am unable to offer them any useful advice or support because I, myself, am broken,” she said.

    Israeli protesters demanding the government stops allowing aid into Gaza until the hostages are freed have repeatedly blocked access to the Karem Abu Salem crossing, forcing it to close repeatedly, sometimes for multiple days. Such disruptions do not relieve Israeli authorities of their obligation to take necessary measures to maintain unhindered flow of aid.

    Only an immediate and sustained ceasefire can save lives and ensure that the ICJ’s provisional measures, including the delivery of lifesaving aid, can be implemented.

    Heba Morayef, Amnesty International

    Other access points and crossings exist. Some were closed by Israel after 7 October. Others have been kept closed for years by Israel. Israel tightly controls what enters and exits Gaza, including people and goods, as part of its illegal blockade, which has become significantly more suffocating in recent months.  

    The situation is particularly dire in the north of the Strip, which Israel has effectively cut off from the rest of Gaza. Between 1 January and 12 February, OCHA reported Israel had denied permission to more than half of the requests by humanitarians to access the north. On 6 February, OCHA reported Israel had granted none of the UN’s 22 requests to open checkpoints early, including to access areas north of Wadi Gaza.

    On 21 February, one of the aid workers interviewed said: “There’s basically no access [to the north]. We had the ceasefire in November where we pushed a lot of trucks north. Other than that we have not been able to get trucks north at any scale. In 2024, it has been even less. Some people are already starving.”

    Blocking and delaying life-saving supplies while people starve

    Israel continues to tightly restrict the import of essential supplies to Gaza. All imports to Gaza must be pre-approved by Israeli authorities. In February, humanitarians continued to describe frequent, unpredictable and “arbitrary” rejections and limitations.

    Israeli officials repeatedly blame humanitarian organizations for any gaps in aid delivery, alleging they are incapable of dispatching and distributing more aid, or due to looting in Gaza. But humanitarians described an array of ways in which Israeli authorities impede their work. They offered a list of basic steps Israel has failed to take to facilitate aid delivery: from allowing in sufficient and essential supplies, which they regularly reject; to opening checkpoints earlier, which authorities have repeatedly refused; to respecting basic security guarantees for aid convoys, aid workers and aid offices, which have instead come under recurrent attack. 

    In addition to goods, Gaza desperately needs fuel to allow people to purify water, process food and run medical equipment, like incubators. Since 11 October, Gaza has been under an electricity blackout as a result of Israel cutting off Gaza’s electricity supply. Israel also completely blocked the import of fuel from early October until 18 November 2023. While it has now allowed some fuel to enter Gaza, the quantities remain jarringly insufficient. As of late-February, Israeli authorities also continued to regularly reject humanitarian requests to bring in other power sources, like solar panels, generators and batteries.

    “No human beings should be forced to suffer the inhumane conditions Gazans are being subjected to. Instead of lifting their brutal blockade, Israeli authorities are planning to escalate their attacks with a deadly military operation into Rafah that will have horrific consequences for civilians and risks cutting off the only lifeline for aid entering Gaza. Only an immediate and sustained ceasefire can save lives and ensure that the ICJ’s provisional measures, including the delivery of lifesaving aid, can be implemented,” said Heba Morayef.

    “Instead, the USA has, for a third time, vetoed a UN Security Council resolution demanding an immediate ceasefire, effectively greenlighting more killings and mass suffering of Palestinians. Countries with influence over the Israeli government, including the USA, UK, Germany and other allies must not stand by and watch as Palestinian civilians die preventable deaths due to bombardment, lack of food and water, the spread of diseases and lack of healthcare. In light of the humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza, these states’ support for Israel’s actions, including its flouting of the ICJ’s ruling, is indefensible and could violate their obligation to prevent genocide.”

    Amnesty International is also calling on states to ensure that UNRWA receives adequate funding to continue its operations after a number of states suspended funding to the organization based on allegations that some of its members took part in the 7 October attack. UNRWA has long served as a sole lifeline for Palestinian refugees in Gaza and elsewhere in the Middle East offering indispensable humanitarian aid, shelter and education.

    All states must uphold their obligation to prevent genocide by taking urgent steps to ensure Israel complies with the ICJ’s provisional measures, including by pressing Israel to rapidly open up access to Gaza and end its brutal blockade once and for all. All states must also immediately end the transfer of arms to Israel, as recently asked by 24 UN Experts.

    Background

    Today’s humanitarian catastrophe in the occupied Gaza Strip is the result of Israel’s 16-year-long blockade and its further intensification and recurrent devastating military operations. Since 2007 Israel has maintained control of Gaza’s air space, land borders and territorial waters, tightly restricting the movement of basic goods and people in and out of the Strip, fuelling a humanitarian disaster. Israel has forced Gaza’s population to live in increasingly dire conditions, which have, since October 2023, deteriorated with such speed and severity that the entire population now faces an engineered famine.

    Israel’s blockade is a form of collective punishment and is a war crime. It is one of the key ways in which Israel maintains its system of apartheid against Palestinians, which is a crime against humanity.

    On 7 October 2023, Hamas and other armed groups launched indiscriminate rockets, sent fighters into southern Israel and committed war crimes. According to Israeli authorities, at least 1,139 people were killed and more than 200 people, mostly civilians, including 33 children, were taken as hostages by Hamas and other armed groups in Gaza. As of 1 December, 113 hostages held by Hamas and other armed groups in Gaza had been released.

  • JoesephJoeseph 698 Pts   -  
    AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL REPORT ON HUMAN  RIGHTS ABUSES BY ISRAELI BUTHCERS.......

    Back to Israel and Occupied Palestinian Territories
    ISRAEL AND OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES 2022

    Israel’s continuing oppressive and discriminatory system of governing Palestinians in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) constituted a system of apartheid, and Israeli officials committed the crime of apartheid under international law. Israeli forces launched a three-day offensive on the occupied Gaza Strip in August during which they committed apparent war crimes. This compounded the impact of a 15-year ongoing Israeli blockade that amounts to illegal collective punishment and further fragments Palestinian territory. Israel escalated its crackdown on Palestinians’ freedom of association. It also imposed arbitrary restrictions on freedom of movement and closures that amounted to collective punishment, mainly in the northern West Bank, ostensibly in response to armed attacks by Palestinians on Israeli soldiers and settlers. The year saw a rise in the number of Palestinians unlawfully killed and seriously injured by Israeli forces during raids in the West Bank. Administrative detentions of Palestinians hit a 14-year high, and torture and other ill-treatment continued. Israeli forces demolished al-Araqib village in the Negev/Naqab for the 211th time. A further 35 Palestinian-Bedouin towns in Israel were still denied formal recognition and residents faced possible forcible transfer. Authorities failed to process asylum claims for thousands of asylum seekers, and imposed restrictions on their right to work.

    Background
    In March, the UN Special Rapporteur on the human rights situation in the OPT determined that the “political system of entrenched rule” in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip “satisfies the prevailing evidentiary standard for the existence of apartheid”. In November, the UN Special Rapporteur on the right to adequate housing reached the same conclusion in relation to Israel’s policies of home demolitions. Some states, including South Africa, condemned Israeli apartheid, echoing statements by Palestinian, Israeli and international human rights organizations. Despite this growing recognition, Israel continued to enjoy impunity thanks to the support of its key allies.

    In October, the United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and in Israel, concluded that the occupation of the OPT is unlawful due to its permanence and Israel’s measures to annex Palestinian land in law and in practice. In 2022, such measures included retroactive authorization of settlement outposts, including by the Israeli Supreme Court.

    In November, Israel held its fifth elections in three years after the collapse of an ideologically diverse coalition government, which continued to discriminate against Palestinians on both sides of the Green Line. The vote was polarized between those supporting and opposing former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, while consensus on maintaining Israel’s occupation of Palestinian and Syrian territories remained. The right-wing bloc, led by Benjamin Netanyahu and a religious-nationalist coalition, secured a majority of seats and formed a government in December.

    Apartheid
    In February, Amnesty International released a 280-page report showing how Israel was imposing an institutionalized regime of oppression and domination against the Palestinian people wherever it exercised control over their rights, fragmenting and segregating Palestinian citizens of Israel, residents of the OPT and Palestinian refugees denied the right of return. Through massive seizures of land and property, unlawful killings, infliction of serious injuries, forcible transfers, arbitrary restrictions on freedom of movement, and denial of nationality, among other inhuman or inhumane acts, Israeli officials would be responsible for the crime against humanity of apartheid, which falls under the jurisdiction of the ICC.1

    In March, Israeli authorities re-enacted the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (temporary order) that imposes sweeping restrictions on Palestinian family unification between Israeli citizens or residents and their spouses from the OPT to maintain a Jewish demographic majority.

    In July, the Israeli Supreme Court upheld a law authorizing the interior minister to strip citizens of their citizenship if convicted of acts that amount to “breach of allegiance to the state”. Since its enactment in 2008, application of the law has only been considered against Palestinian citizens. On 20 September, the Israeli Appeals Tribunal approved the revocation of stay or temporary residency permits of 10 Palestinians – four children, three women and three men – living in Jerusalem because they are distant relatives of a Palestinian assailant. On 18 December, Israel deported French-Palestinian human rights defender Salah Hammouri following the revocation of his East Jerusalem residency.2

    Unlawful attacks and killings
    Armed conflict between Israel and Palestinian armed groups in Gaza
    On 5 August, Israel launched an offensive on the Gaza Strip targeting the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and its armed wing, destroying or damaging some 1,700 Palestinian homes and displacing hundreds of civilians. The Israeli army and Palestinian armed groups committed apparent war crimes during the three days of fighting. (See State of Palestine entry.)3

    According to the UN, 49 Palestinians were killed, including 31 civilians. Amnesty International established that Israeli forces killed 17 of the civilians, including eight children. Seven civilians, including four children, were killed by a rocket that misfired apparently launched by a Palestinian armed group. On 7 August, an Israeli missile, apparently fired by a drone, hit Al-Falluja cemetery in Jabalia refugee camp, killing five children and injuring one, in an apparent direct attack on civilians or indiscriminate attack.

    West Bank
    Israeli forces killed 151 Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and injured 9,875, according to OCHA-OPT, amid a surge of military incursions that involved excessive use of force, including unlawful killings and apparent extrajudicial executions.4 Defense for Children International-Palestine reported that Israeli forces or settlers killed 36 children across the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

    On 11 May, Israeli soldiers killed Shirin Abu Akleh, a Palestinian-US Al Jazeera correspondent, and injured her colleague, while they were covering an Israeli army raid in Jenin Camp. In September, the Israeli authorities admitted that an Israeli soldier “likely” killed the journalist but concluded that no criminal offence had been committed.

    Right to truth, justice and reparation
    Israeli authorities continued to refuse to cooperate with the investigation by the ICC Office of the Prosecutor, despite a 2021 decision by the ICC to initiate an investigation into the situation in Palestine. The authorities also failed to adequately investigate violations and crimes under international law.

    Freedom of movement
    In the West Bank, 175 permanent checkpoints and other roadblocks, as well as scores of temporary irregular barriers and a draconian permit regime, supported by a repressive biometric surveillance system, continued to control and fragment Palestinian communities.

    In October, Israeli authorities placed additional restrictions on freedom of movement in the occupied West Bank reportedly in response to Palestinian attacks on Israeli soldiers and civilians, through sweeping and arbitrary closures that severely disrupted everyday life and amounted to unlawful collective punishment. In April, the Israeli army closed checkpoints into Jenin in a move that appeared designed to stifle Jenin’s businesses and trade with Palestinian citizens of Israel. In October, Israeli forces re-imposed a closure on Jenin and closed off Nablus for three weeks, and Shufat refugee camp in occupied East Jerusalem for over a week, gravely affecting the freedom of movement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilians living in those areas and restricting access to medical aid and other essential services.

    According to COGAT, a unit of the defence ministry, Israel revoked the permits to work in Israel of 2,500 Palestinians as a means of collective punishment.

    A new procedure issued by the Israeli military authorities came into effect in October, restricting the ability of foreign passport holders to live with their Palestinian spouses in the West Bank by limiting their visas to a maximum of six months, requiring couples to request permanent residency status in the West Bank, which is subject to Israeli approval.

    In Gaza, the illegal Israeli blockade entered its 16th year. According to Gaza-based human rights organization Al-Mezan, nine patients, including three children, died while waiting for Israeli permits to receive life-saving treatment outside of the Gaza Strip, amid a complex bureaucratic entanglement between Israel, the Palestinian Authority and the Hamas administration.

    The only power plant in Gaza was forced to shut for two days in August because of a week-long Israeli closure of all crossings, which prevented the delivery of fuel.

    Forced evictions
    Tens of thousands of Palestinians remained at risk of forced evictions in Israel and the OPT, including some 5,000 living in shepherding communities in the Jordan Valley and South Hebron Hills. Israeli authorities demolished 952 Palestinian structures across the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, displacing 1,031 Palestinians, and affecting the livelihoods of thousands of others.

    On 4 May, the Israeli Supreme Court upheld a decision to forcibly transfer over 1,000 residents of Masafer Yatta in the South Hebron Hills from their ancestral land, which Israel had designated as “firing zone 918”, a military training zone closed to Palestinian access.

    In July, the Israeli Supreme Court legalized the settlement outpost of Mitzpe Kramim, built on private Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank, claiming that it was “purchased in good faith”. This reversed its 2020 decision that ordered the government to evacuate the outpost.

    According to OCHA, 2022 was the sixth consecutive year that saw an increase in state-backed settler violence against Palestinians in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, reaching a peak in October during the olive harvest season. The Israeli army and police continued to fail to investigate complaints by Palestinians about such violence.

    In Israel, the authorities continued to deny official recognition to 35 Palestinian villages in the Negev/Naqab, depriving them of essential services. In January, the Israeli Land Authority and the Jewish National Fund began planting trees on lands belonging to the village of Saawa al-Atrash in the Negev/Naqab to forcibly transfer its Palestinian population.

    In December, Israeli authorities demolished tents and structures in al-Araqib for the 211th time since 2010.

    Arbitrary detention
    Israeli authorities increased their use of administrative detention, prompting a mass boycott of Israeli military courts by hundreds of detainees including Salah Hammouri, who went on hunger strike together with 29 others in protest at their detention without charge or trial. By 31 December, 866 individuals, all but two of them Palestinians, were administratively detained, the highest number in 14 years.

    On 15 April, Israeli police arrested more than 400 Palestinians, including children, journalists and worshippers, during a raid on the al-Aqsa mosque compound in the Old City of Jerusalem. According to the Palestinian Red Crescent, at least 152 Palestinians were injured by rubber bullets, live ammunition and stun grenades, and were beaten. Most were released after several hours.

    Torture and other ill-treatment
    Israeli forces continued to subject Palestinian detainees to torture and other ill-treatment. As in previous years, the internal investigation unit of the police, Mahash, failed to properly investigate complaints of torture. On 24 November, the Beersheba District Court extended, by four months, the solitary confinement of Ahmad Manasra, imprisoned as a 13-year-old in 2015 and held in solitary confinement since November 2021, an act that amounts to torture. The same court had rejected in September his appeal for early release on medical grounds despite his severe mental health condition.

    Freedom of association and expression
    On 18 August, Israeli soldiers raided the offices of seven Palestinian civil society organizations in Ramallah, vandalizing equipment, seizing files, and issuing closure orders based on the 1945 Defense (Emergency) Regulations.5

    On 29 September, the Israeli Central Elections Committee disqualified the Palestinian party Balad from running in Israeli parliamentary elections because it called for a “state for all of its citizens”, in violation of Israel’s Basic Law. The Israeli Supreme Court reversed the decision in October.

    On 24 November, the Israeli military renewed by 45 days and for the fourth time the detention of four Jewish Israeli teenagers – Einat Gerlitz, Evyatar Moshe Rubin, Nave Shabtay and Shahar Schwartz – who were first imprisoned in September for refusing, on grounds of conscience, to enrol in compulsory military service.

    Failure to tackle climate crisis and environmental degradation
    On 28 June, the government introduced a climate bill, which proposed to reduce Israel’s greenhouse gas emissions by 27% by 2030. The bill remained pending. Meanwhile, Israel’s military industrial complex, including its August offensive in Gaza, exacerbated environmental damage caused in previous attacks that Israel continued to disregard.

    In March, Israeli planes resumed aerial spraying of herbicides on the buffer zone in the Gaza Strip, damaging Palestinian farmland.

    LGBTI people’s rights
    On 14 February, Israel’s health ministry published a circular banning medical practitioners from conducting medical “conversion therapy” to change the sexual orientation of gay and lesbian individuals, but failed to grant it legislative status.

    Women’s rights
    In Israel, marriage and divorce remained under the exclusive jurisdiction of religious courts, leading to systematic discrimination against women in personal status matters.

    Despite legal protections against domestic violence, 24 women were killed by partners or relatives according to the Israeli police. Some 69 women were killed between January 2020 and August 2022. Of the 40 femicides against Palestinian women in Israel during that period, 58% were not resolved by the police while all 29 femicides of Jewish-Israeli women in the same period were resolved.

    Refugees’ and migrants’ rights
    Israel welcomed tens of thousands of people fleeing Ukraine and allowed thousands of Jewish Ukrainians to settle under the 1950 Law of Return, while continuing to deny Palestinian refugees their right of return.

    Israel continued to reject asylum applications of nearly 30,000 African asylum seekers, primarily from Eritrea and Sudan. Following a 2021 court decision, over 2,000 Sudanese asylum seekers from Darfur, Blue Nile and the Nuba mountains were given temporary residence permits, including access to national health insurance and other benefits.

    In October, a commission appointed by Israel’s minister of interior concluded that asylum seekers from Darfur and the Nuba mountains were no longer at risk of persecution on ethnic grounds and could be returned safely to Sudan’s capital Khartoum, amid concerns of a possible reversal of Israel’s general non-deportation policy.

    Government regulations banning some 20,000 asylum seekers from work in 17 Israeli cities unless they seek employment in construction, agriculture, hospitality and institutional nursing, came into effect in October.

    Israel’s Apartheid against Palestinians: a cruel system of domination and a crime against humanity, 1 February
    “Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories: A perfect storm of apartheid policies led to Salah Hammouri’s deportation”, 21 December
    “They Were Just Kids: Evidence of War Crimes During Israel’s August 2022 Gaza Offensive”, 25 October
    Israel/OPT: Continuing patterns of unlawful killings and other crimes further entrench apartheid, 11 May
    “Israel/OPT: The stifling of Palestinian civil society organizations must end”, 18 August
  • PhitePhite 94 Pts   -   edited March 17

    No, you're running from the facts @JulesKorngold keeps presenting that counter your false claims. Israel hasn't been nor are they now committing genocide.

    Use of child labor

    Um, no.  The person you're referring to offered nothing to counter the claim that Israel is committing genocide against the innocent children and women--well,  everyone--in Gaza.  All he's done is demonstrate his propensity for filtering out any and all information that doesn't support his world view.

    For instance:

    The U.N. special rapporteur on the right to food Michael Fakhri charges Israel with the deliberate starvation of the Palestinians of Gaza:
    _______________________________________________________________________________________________________

    There is no reason to intentionally block the passage of humanitarian aid or intentionally obliterate small-scale fishing vessels, greenhouses and orchards in Gaza – other than to deny people access to food,” Michael Fakhri, the UN special rapporteur on the right to food, told the Guardian.

    Intentionally depriving people of food is clearly a war crime. Israel has announced its intention to destroy the Palestinian people, in whole or in part, simply for being Palestinian. In my view as a UN human rights expert, this is now a situation of genocide. This means the State of Israel in its entirety is culpable and should be held accountable – not just individuals or this government, or that person.
    ______________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Child labor?  What about Israel's practice of throwing children into prison and abusing the hell out of them there?  You okay with that, too?

    Oh hey, what were the results of Israel's investigation into hamas' defeat of every one of their defensive security barrer's bells and whistles?  Did that come up missing?  Did hamas steal the report?
    Joeseph
  • BoganBogan 451 Pts   -  
  • BoganBogan 451 Pts   -  
    @Joeseph

    Sorry Paddy.   I am off to hospital for the next four days, and I have to get ready.      I will be very happy to counter your leftist, pro terrorism propaganda when I get back.   If I don't get back, then I will see you in Hell and we can continue this discussion there.   It is probably a nice place full of bad girls, which are the ones I like.     And also bookies, gamblers, rock and roll stars, drug dealers, and atheists.  The place is really going to swing.     And  all of my friends will be there, or will soon enough.  
  • BoganBogan 451 Pts   -  
  • JoesephJoeseph 698 Pts   -  
    @Bogan

    Sorry Paddy.   I am off to hospital for the next four days, and I have to get ready

    Good luck with that Rolf.

    .      I will be very happy to counter your leftist, pro terrorism propaganda when I get back. 

        I will be very happy to counter your rightest , pro terrorism/ genocide  propaganda when I get back. 

    Hell sounds good I'm in .......


  • FactfinderFactfinder 778 Pts   -  
    @Phite

    Um, no.  The person you're referring to offered nothing to counter the claim that Israel is committing genocide against the innocent children and women--well,  everyone in Gaza.  All he's done is demonstrate his propensity for filtering out any and all information that doesn't support his world view.

    For instance:

    The U.N. special rapporteur on the right to food Michael Fakhri charges Israel with the deliberate starvation of the Palestinians of Gaza:

    Um yes. That's why he brought up Hamas and their use of human shields. Your counter? Ignore that fact and move on to another ad hominem. Increasing populations of Palestinians over decades means nope, no genocides have been going on. So nope, the goal isn't to kill all women and children. The goal is to destroy Humas, who uses women and children to start bloody wars it can't win and then hides behind them. Who butchered children at will in a surprise attack. And vow to do so again and again till Israel is annihilated. That's genocidal but you don't care about that, right? At the behest of Iran who funds the nonsense gullible people continually fall for. And they do so because they've failed at vanquishing the much, much smaller nation of Israel themselves.

    If you truly were concerned about the children being bombed you would travel to the region and give Hamas and Iran a piece of your mind.  Or at least write them letters informing them who you are and you won't stand for this any more. You should tell them to publicly acknowledge Israel's right to exist and declare they won't let the other Arabs use them in proxy wars again. Iran defund all other illegal terrorist groups it's funding. To kill Israeli children that you don't seem to care about. Your outrage should be at the instigators if you were to be objective. The ones who never accepted the legal state of Israel.

    But no, you won't do that. Much easier to be antisemitic.

    Michael Fakhri charges haven't stuck. Are you now going to be stuck on him? Doesn't he come from Oregon? The state that legalizes drugs and rioting at times?
  • PhitePhite 94 Pts   -  

    I understand that Israel can do no wrong in your eyes.  You believe that everyone lies except for the people committing genocide, huh?

    A recent UNRWA document says its staff report having been tortured while detained by Israeli forces, who pressed them to provide false statements about ties between the agency and Hamas.

    “The document said several UNRWA Palestinian staffers had been detained by the Israeli army, and added that the ill-treatment and abuse they said they had experienced included severe physical beatings, waterboarding, and threats of harm to family members,” Reuters reports, saying UNRWA workers “reported having been pressured by Israeli authorities into falsely stating that the agency has Hamas links and that staff took part in the Oct. 7 attacks.” 

    This is another one of those stories about Israeli offenses that are so stunning that at first you can mistakenly believe you must not be reading it correctly — especially since the western political-media class haven’t been treating it like the jarring news that it is. If we had anything remotely like an objective news media in the western world, reports that Israel tortured United Nations staff to get them to make false statements against a UN aid agency would be the top story everywhere for days.


    https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/israel-accused-of-torturing-un-workers


    Now go ahead and side with the torturers.  You know you want to.


  • just_sayinjust_sayin 962 Pts   -  
    Of course Israel should have the right to veto any attempt to create a Palestinian state.  The land in question belongs to Israel.  Further, most jobs are not in the Palestine sections, so Israel's consent is needed for the Palestinians to work in Israel sections.  
  • PhitePhite 94 Pts   -  
    Of course Israel should have the right to veto any attempt to create a Palestinian state.  The land in question belongs to Israel.
    No, you can't use the bible as a land deed.  You can't steal land on that basis. 

    And you can't torture UN officials in order to get the testimony you desire instead of the truth that puts them in a very, very bad light indeed.

     And you can't throw kids into prison to be abused by the "adults" there.  What part of that kind of thing endears you to abusers?



  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 828 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Jewish Rights To The Land Of Israel

    The Gemini chatbot helped create this response.

    The right of Jews to the Land of Israel is a complex issue with religious, historical, and political dimensions:

    Historical Connection:

    • Ancient Kingdoms: The Jewish people established kingdoms in the Land of Israel for centuries, with Jerusalem as their capital.
    • Continuous Presence: Even after exile, Jewish communities have maintained a presence in the land for millennia.

    International Recognition:

    • Balfour Declaration (1917): This document issued by the British government expressed support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
    • UN Partition Plan (1947): The United Nations adopted a plan for dividing Palestine into Jewish and Arab states.


  • PhitePhite 94 Pts   -   edited March 18

    And when did it become okay to throw kids into prison where they are abused by the "adults" there?

    And when did it become okay to torture UN officials to get the answer you want instead of the truth?

    Does that kind of perverse sickness endear you to the abusers and torturers?  You do know that Israel is notorious for torturing humans, don't you?
  • JulesKorngoldJulesKorngold 828 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: The Palestinian Goal

    Palestinians missed opportunities for a two-state solution in the past, instead focusing on destroying Israel.

    In 2021, a poll by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research revealed that 39% of Palestinians accept a two-state solution, while 59% said they rejected it, preferring to destroy Israel.
    Factfinder
  • FactfinderFactfinder 778 Pts   -   edited March 18
    @Phite

    Now go ahead and side with the torturers.  You know you want to.

    You're mistaken. I don't side with your heroes, the raping child killing terrorists. Israel is in the right as you know that to be a fact; but you're bigotry rules your life. 

    The Palestinian staffers, accusing, hmm, any physical evidence of rape and torture like when the hostages were freed from Hamas and there was lots of evidence they did nasty things but bigoted hypocrites down played it? 

    Seriously, what do you have against reality? And don't try and be indigent about Israeli so called 'lies' when Hamas and the Palestinians lie threw there teeth regularly with one exception, they promise to kill, and rape more Israelis because they're jealous. Heck you'd be flattered to right their speeches. 

    See, when you had a chance at peace, your own country and sanity and turned it down just so you can chant 'death to all jews' and strap bombs to your own children, well even an objective observer like myself has to admit Israel is 100% righteous in what they're doing. Should have done it sooner. 
  • JoesephJoeseph 698 Pts   -  


    One cannot expect any fairness or decency from Israel a scum state populated by scum.

    The chairman of human rights organisation Amnesty International in Finland has described Israel as a “scum state"

    Frank Johansson made the comment on a blog the Finnish tabloid newspaper Iltalehti.

    The phrase used by Mr Johansson was “Israel on nikkimaa”, which one Finnish blogger also translated as meaning “punk”.

    Referring to discussions with a friend who had lived in Israel for several years, he added: “he has come to the conclusion that 'Israel is a scum state.'

    “On the basis of my own visit, which occurred during the 1970s and 1990s for the final time, I agree."

  • FactfinderFactfinder 778 Pts   -  
    Joeseph said:


    One cannot expect any fairness or decency from Israel a scum state populated by scum.

    The chairman of human rights organisation Amnesty International in Finland has described Israel as a “scum state"

    Frank Johansson made the comment on a blog the Finnish tabloid newspaper Iltalehti.

    The phrase used by Mr Johansson was “Israel on nikkimaa”, which one Finnish blogger also translated as meaning “punk”.

    Referring to discussions with a friend who had lived in Israel for several years, he added: “he has come to the conclusion that 'Israel is a scum state.'

    “On the basis of my own visit, which occurred during the 1970s and 1990s for the final time, I agree."

    Yes, self willed ignorance and bigotry are birds of a feather.
  • JoesephJoeseph 698 Pts   -   edited March 18
    @Factfinder

    I disregard the comments of ignorant bigoted scum like you 
  • FactfinderFactfinder 778 Pts   -  
    Joeseph said:
    @Factfinder

    I disregard the comments of ignorant bigoted scum like you 
    And yet here is a quote from you displaying your debating skills in all their glory in response to a fact I posted.
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