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To start, I believe that everything should acceptable until it is proven to be a net loss to society. Therefore, I will not analyze any pros for gay marriage, only claims against it. I am also going to treat the right of homosexual couples to raise children as a separate issue.
If humans were still scraping rocks to survive, maybe there would be a good argument about maximizing population, but seeing as we are a global society that is irrelevant. We don't need everyone to have kids to stay relevant. Disconnecting marriage from it's procreative purpose isn't a good argument at the societal level.
Homosexuality used to be considered a disease, but that is irrelevant now. I have never met anyone who I would have found no hard evidence for this It no longer stands as a valid reason.
One of the most prevalent claims is that it will undercut sexual fidelity. This seems to me like an argument from ignorance, and I see no basis for its truth.
I know that a certain fanatic will make the argument that the bible says being gay isn't okay. There are approximately 100 different arguments I could make here about why that is a bad argument, but I will fall on the constitution which stands for separation of church and state, therefore using any holy book as a source for legal advice ought to be frowned upon, lest it interfere with other religious practices that don't forbid it.
If there are other arguments I have not listed here, please inform me and I will do my best to think of reasons they are invalid.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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I do not say this often to people, as I am a nice guy - but you truly are an abhorrent person. You have deep distaste towards everyone who is different from you in any possible way and wish everyone who does not share your values to suffer.
I sincerely hope that you discover one day the power of love, affection and acceptance, and do not remain for the rest of your life a bitter person.
Take some time off. Travel around the world, meet people from different cultures, drink beer with those whose views you dislike. You will discover that there is so much more to life, than a wooden farm in the middle of nowhere with a church nearby and the same 20 white people you see every day.
Otherwise, you will always remain miserable. I know a lot of examples of people who lived for 80, 90, sometimes even 100 years, with that scowl on their face and resentment towards everyone. You are going down that same path.
We will all be corpses one day, so it does not really matter in the grand scheme - but since you are alive now, might as well live a bright, colorful life, and not this dank cave lifestyle.
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Not all ancient holy texts say homosexuality is evil, don't infringe on the right of other's religions by violating separation of church and state. If violating church and state is your thing, move to Canada or Europe where it isn't a thing. Otherwise stop tying to DESTROY AMERICA!
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Normally I champion free speech, but I draw the line when the sole purpose of that speech is to silence another group, spreading of information hazards, or deliberate intolerance of another group.
"Gay isn't okay, stone them today, the bible says right away!" is a despicable argument
(I'll admit it, I'm throwing this in here for relevancy )
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
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Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
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Legal Rights Accorded to Married Couples
According to a report given to the Office of the General Counsel of the U.S. General Accounting Office, here are a few of the benefits provided by the federal government to legally married couples:
State-Level Benefits
Many state-level benefits mirror those that are available at the federal level, but some states offer additional rights.
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Quite the contrary; the Goddess is pretty good in bed, and she likes my sins! She punishes me for them daily. Mmm... Oh, sorry, I got a little carried away.
Does your Lord punish you as well? Does it involve... a whip? Handcuffs? No? Apologies, I forget myself sometimes.
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Feast your eyes on these two beauties making out bet you would love to be a fly on the wall.....Wait ! You swing the other way don’t you? You’re a closet gay as you never stop going on about it ......
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Taking advantage of witnesses is a United State Constitutional issue when a person has a first amendment right there is a duty to evaluate the cost and self-value of writing and words on official events of public record.
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Have you actually got an argument that isn't either an appeal to faith, spirituality, or religious authority?
Blind faith in place of reason is an extremely dangerous and chaotic way to live one's life.
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I have a legal objection on why a man cannot be married to another man, plus a woman cannot be married to another woman. I pronounce them as Binivir and UnosMulier. Marriage, BiniVir and UnosMulier are clearly not the same public likely-hood.
The question is do you have a legal objection to bind three clearly deferent public likelihoods with three Title as 1st Amendment filed grievance?
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This is a debate site. Not a preaching site. If you want to preach then please find some rare corner of planet where people may share your same deluded and medieval views.
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The fact that he was a police officer means that he only saw the bad side of people, because no one calls the cops on good law abiding citizens. So for all he knows, for every homosexual person doing evil he saw there could be thousands of good homosexuals.
He used to be in the military so he will probably respond if you tell him the WWII story of Abraham Wald the mathematician who saved countless lives by recognizing that returning planes needed armor where there were no bullet holes, because the planes that had armor elsewhere never made it back.
https://medium.com/@penguinpress/an-excerpt-from-how-not-to-be-wrong-by-jordan-ellenberg-664e708cfc3d
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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If I say to the wicked, “You shall surely die,” and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, in order to save his life, that wicked person shall die for his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. But if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, or from his wicked way, he shall die for his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul. Ezekiel 3:18-19
Who will rise up for me against the wicked? Who will stand for me against those who practice iniquity? Psalm 94:16
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“There are honest doubters and dishonest doubters. An honest doubter is willing to search out the truth and live by the results; a dishonest doubter doesn’t want to know the truth. He can’t find God for the same reason a thief can’t find a policeman.” Adrian Rogers
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Binivir , Unosmulier, Marriage, Civil Union all three are seen different when witnessed publicly.
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@Plaffelvohefen
@smoothie
Don’t laugh yet because here is the really funny part. Is their anyone here who holds a legal objection to the legal binding of couple as BiniVir or Unosmulier? RickeyD? Happy-Killbot? smoothie? AeusAres? Dee?MayCaesar@ YeshuaRedeemed? Plaffelvohefen? Speak now or forever hold your peace. A person may or may not know the difference between witnessing a likelihood or private corporation formation. It doesn’t mean they should be removed as a viable witness.
Here is your chance to shine.....
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I googled "biniVir and Unosmulier" and got no clear hits in relationship to homosexuality.
Can you please define those terms, and/or restate your argument, because right now this seems to be the sole place on the internet that uses those terms.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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***** . I policed this pit of debauchery on four-different shifts and there is nothing in photography that can surprise me...I have seen it all concerning the perversion
You lucky dog getting paid to watch lesbians make out , bet your missus always got a good old fashioned seeing to when you got home from your shift .......
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Thats John for you he has a personal dictionary full of such terms
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Yeah, John is known for having penned his very own dictionary and thesaurus... Maybe he thought it sounded latin and that it would, for some reason, give his comment an aura of academic validity.
It's a fail obviously...
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I have been using this site for less than a week and so far seems like everyone is either bats**t insane or just not very good at debate. It's kind of disappointing. For a second I thought that maybe these were legal terms in some other language that had no English equivalent, but if John is just making it up to sound cool for a cheap victory, that's just sad.
We live in an information age, no one has any excuse for not knowing something.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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bUt GoD sAiD sO.
Yeah mate, this god that hides behind threats made in a book older than you are. You don’t love anyone other than yourself, you simply make yourself think your preaching is out of “love” so that you can have a thin veneer between you and the fact that the Bible is most likely fiction. People marrying others of the same sex is up them. If god didn’t want them to marry, he wouldn’t have given them this “Mental Disease.”
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Yeah it's constant... There are a few actual good debaters on here with different positions, but the trolls and preachers outnumber them by far and management/moderation seem to be absent...
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