There does NOT exist an entity called "Gay Christian"...this is an
impossibility. No one can willfully sin against God and consider them
self a Christian...it won't happen. There are "former"
homosexuals-lesbians who repented of their sin (stopped the immoral
conduct) and trusted in Jesus Christ who have become true Christians; but no man who takes another
man's penis into his mouth or anus and no woman who licks on the vulva
of another woman will find life in God's Kingdom but their sin is upon
them lest they repent and turn to Jesus as Lord!
It is written...
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. 1 John 3:4-10 (NASB)
No
one who has entered into a relationship with God the Father by grace
through faith in Jesus Christ as Lord for the mediation of sin and
having received the indwelling Holy Spirit as Guarantor of that
relationship can continue to live in willful sin. If one is truly "born
again" by the Spirit of God, disobedience to the God they love is
unconscionable and through the process of sanctification, the Christian
strives to live a life that honors God in obedience.
Homosexuality-Lesbianism-Transsexualism
these are an abomination to our God and unless the participants in same
repent and turn to Jesus Christ as Lord for the forgiveness of sin,
they will NOT enter the Kingdom of God subsequent to death of the body
in Time but they will ultimately die in sin and die a second death in
Hell.
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I am not interested in what your ancient book has to say about homosexuality. What do you have to say about it? You said that it is an abomination - why? Do explain how it is abominable from the abstract perspective, with no regards to any fantasy writings.
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"Every other Scripture pertains SOLELY to the children of Israel and those who sojourned with them while under the Covenant of Law."
Now you have flipped around again. You just can't have your cake and eat it too?
Thanks to you, I know there is no such thing as a naturally moral fundamentalist. According to Christians, nothing is morally reprehensible except not believing in Jesus,a character from a fairy tale actual historians are not convinced existed,let alone have any hard evidence to suggest that any of his supposed dealing are anything more than just tall tales.
Thanks to you, I know that fundamentalists have little or no connection to anyone except themselves, let alone the whole of humanity and the whole of the universe. If the sole thing that brings purpose and meaning in your life is harassing homosexuals because some ancient writings told you to, that is just pathetic. If all that is needed to give you a sense of awe is to be told the same story repeatedly, by those who are trying to keep you in line, that is just pathetic.
You have no sense of right and wrong.
You have no authority.
You have a closed mind.
You are morally and spiritually ill.
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You don't know that god exists, you BELIEVE it does based of FAITH! Not REASON! The bible is NOT FACTS! It is CONJECTURE! And it doesn't even make any sense at that!
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
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Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
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Consider every nation that has ever existed that did not have a single individual who knew about Jesus, or who lived their entire life without hearing the name, or even the concept. If it were common knowledge, why doesn't your hypothetical make itself known to them? We are talking billions here. Billions of data points each individually proving you are full of it.
I can "know" your supposed about as much as I can know the tooth fairy.
It is far more likely, that you will admit publicly on your blog about all times you cheated on your wife with men.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
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Jesus's disciples wrote the Bible at a time when homosexuality was not tolerated. Now, homosexuality is accepted by society. The Bible is outdated and contains some information which is no longer true today. It matters not what God has said, but what society tolerates, for the reason that the book which you say is God's word is outdated and comes from a period of beliefs being different to they are now. It is just blind faith which leads you to say that homosexuality is a sin. In the past, people thought that anything that was very unusual was bad and the work of the Devil. Now, we simply understand that some people, naturally, have a different sexual orientation. It is sad to see the hateful words that faith in your religion has led you to say.
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Homosexuality actually was not a big deal in Ancient Rome; interestingly enough, in the noble families there was even the tradition requiring boys at a certain age to lay down with another male, which was seen as strengthening the boy's masculinity. Incidentally, Ancient Rome was by far the most prosperous nation on Earth at the time.
It all crumbled when religious prudes started taking over around AD 200. Corruption was thriving, new religious values were not widely accepted among simple folks, and the nobles themselves continued pleasuring themselves outside the public eye. Eventually the system collapsed.
It is interesting how prosperous nations get brought down on their knees by religious zealots every now and then. Shows what kind of system "god" really favors, and it is not what Christian fundamentalists think it is.
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I have no hatred for Christianity; I am not like you in this regard, hating everything I do not follow. I just have studied history extensively and know a thing or two about Rome in particular.
Rome flourished long before Christianity was a thing. Its downfall started with the collapse of the values of individual liberty and democracy during Augustus' rule, and coincided with gradual popularisation of Christianity. It is hardly an accident, albeit I am inclined to see popularisation of Christianity as a consequence of failing morals, as opposed to its cause. When values in a country fall apart, people resort to totalitarian ideologies to fill the moral vacuum, and that is exactly what happened in Rome.
Everywhere where religion took over people's minds, economies crumbled and totalitarianism ensued. It is only when a society become secular that it could flourish once again. Of course, even the most secular society still has those weird people who want to go back to religious totalitarianism. But at least you folks are now reduced to posting on the Internet and can no longer burn those who disagree with you at stake.
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If the "only hope" of any nation is Jesus Christ, then how come there were countless very successful nations long before he was even born, as well as long after he died - including the nations in which Christianity is barely represented, such as Japan or Taiwan?
Well, the entire Europe was an impoverished corrupt totalitarian territory for over 1000 years after Rome's collapse, with clergy and corrupt religious kings tearing the continent to pieces. I would say this qualifies as a bit of a failure.
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But I thought Jesus was the only hope, and Jesus is not a part of Shinto, Taoism or Buddhism, and is a relatively minor part of Islam. Now it is any religious entity, not just Jesus? Opinions change fast, don't they?
You must have never travelled to Japan, if you genuinely believe that religion there is big. Just a bit over a third of the Japanese population follows any religion at all, and most of those followers do it mostly as a tradition - almost nobody there actually believes in any deities.
In contrary, when religion there was actually big, the country was ridden with endless wars and totalitarian governments.
The US, arguably the most Christian country in the First World, also has one of the highest crime rates among the First World countries. Seems like your god does not like his followers very much, does he?
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The correlation isn't up for debate, but what is the cause is, but either way it doesn't bode well for religion.
Either religion causes immoral behavior, or it does nothing to stop it. The theory is that religion doesn't make people more moral, and science provides no evidence that it does. People turn to religion as a way of coping with suffering. It is the only way to deal with the oppression and lack of control. The lives of Christians is so sad, that they need an imaginary being to love them to continue.
Should it be any surprise then, that as Christianity spread through the roman empire as it crumbled? In 380 AD Christianity became the official religion of the Roman empire. The Visigoths sacked Rome just 30 years latter.
This also explains why religion is rapidly dying in developed nations. People's lives just don't suck like they used to, because science and technology, that is to say things that are literally true and not metaphysically or philosophically true make life better.
There have been tons of nations that rose and fell throughout history, but I think a prime example of a nation falling with Christianity at it's core would be Russia after the Russian revolution. 1917 was the first time in Russian history that it did not have a state sponsored religion, and the Russian Orthodox church was ousted from government and replaced with "religious freedom" but in practice the communist party restricted religion and even outright attacked it, proving that autocracy is the real enemy.
Religion is at worst dangerous and at best an indicator of a nations health. A nation becoming more religious is a sign of regression, and perhaps a prelude to greater suffering in the future.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Catholicism has never been Christian. Catholicism was founded by Constantine in 312-313AD via the Edict of Milan by merging Babylonian Paganism/Roman Paganism with elements of Christian and non-Christian (Apocrypha) doctrine in order to make the pagan cult more palatable to the masses.
The Mass; The Sacraments; Transubstantiation; Purgatory; The Rosary; Statues in Worship; The Perpetual Virginity of Mary as the Goddess of Heaven; The Idolatry of Mary Worship; calling Catholic Leadership as "Father"; Confessing sin to a Priest; The Magisterium; Indulgences; these are NOT Scriptural and undermine the purity and simplicity of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ as Lord; thereby, leading the innocent millions/billions in the way of deception and hopelessness. http://www.eaec.org/cults/romancatholic.htm
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Crime rates have been high compared to other First World countries throughout the entire US history. Crime rates were actually much higher in the past, especially in 30-s, when the crumbling economy forced people to take things into their own hands, as well as during the "wild West" period. The country was also much more religious back then than it is now.
The data is not on your side, sorry to say.
Japanese maintain a very traditional culture, but barely anyone there actually practices religion as such. You will almost never hear the word "Christ" here, yet the country is within 10 safest countries in the world, is one of the richest countries in the world.
Seems like your Christ does not determine the well-being of a nation. Surprise, is it not?
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Probably much better, without religious prudes constantly lobbying awful laws like prohibition that contributed to the Great Depression. Also, when someone is starving and goes outside with a gun to get some food from stores, I do not think their heart is driven by Jesus.
Japan actually is one of the more sexually devious countries out there. You are complaining about homosexuals here? There you have things like somewhat normalised incest (not only between cousins, but between children and parents too), tentacle porn and records in the number of naked people on a single photo. Still, one of the safest and richest countries on Earth.
Heavily Christian and sexually prudish Serbia, on the other hand, is not doing too hot.
America was founded by Jesus Christ? That is a new one.
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In fact, the Roman Catholic church is the largest christian church in the world.
You have probably stated it several times, but I usually skim over the parts in your arguments that are bigoted christian word salad, so I don't even know what denomination you are, probably Westouro Baptist or something.
You just want to make this separation because the catholic church has done all sorts of horrid things you would rather distance yourself from, but from the outside, Christians, Islam, Buddhists, Scientologists, and so many others fall under the category of "religious" so it is irrelevant whether or not a Northern or a southern baptist is a heretic, you all live in one big dysfunctional family called delusional believers.
You know there is a rule in most formal debates that goes something like: "Any evidence that is not rebuked stands"
You didn't even answer most of my points, so they stand.
Not that you are even capable of arguing against them anyways.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Alcohol is a leading cause of death, disease worldwide, study says
http://https//www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/08/24/alcohol-death-disease-study-beer-wine/1082443002/  Considerate: 100%  
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Referencing something you wrote proves nothing.
I wrote above that Catholics are Christians, which holds just as much weight doesn't it?
Do you even have an argument here? Or are you just going to expect me to take the word of a decrepit meat shield?
There are differences indeed between Catholics and protestants, but they still fundamentally worship the same deity and follow Jesus.
You are going to claim that the way these sects follow and interpret the bible differently and this is the crucial factor, but then, by your own admission don't follow the bible anyways. That's just the pot calling the kettle black.
You really aren't capable of actually making a good argument are you?
I find that to be disappointing. I secretly hate winning so much. How many times do I have to point out your lack of authority before you figure out your place?
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Bravo. I could not make a better totalitarian speech even if I tried to!
Your whole argument comes down to "People must be controlled and obedient in order for them to prosper". Aside from the moral repercussions of this, the practical repercussions are obvious. Hitler, Stalin, Mao and other totalitarians used the exact same arguments as you do, only they replaced "Jesus" with "Aryan race", "worker class" and "Chinese identity".
The results of your controlling policies also speak for themselves. We have already discussed the Great Depression, but we can also discuss dozens millions Chinese dying to hunger, or millions Soviets, or millions Germans, or millions Japanese, or millions Cambodians - all died in the name of obedience to some being higher than them.
Unfortunately for you, Christian totalitarianism has been gone for a long time now and is unlikely to come back. But you can find what you are looking for in some of the Muslim nations!
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Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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In some ancient societies, homosexuality was seen not only as acceptable, but socially constructive, notably the Ancient Greek society.
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Likewise, I am not interested in seeing constant copies and pastes from other online sources which any fool can do. If you want an actual debate then let's have one without you copying and pasting stuff, and actually using your own mind? And I will stop posting songs. I challenge you to a debate where we actually debate. Or do you wanna just continue searching for images on the Internet to spam this site? It works both ways, sir.
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