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Did sin enter the world through Adam, Satan or God?
Most, as well as scriptures, say that it was Adam’s fault, --- even though Christians sing that Adam’s sin was a happy fault and necessary to god’s plan, --- but that may not be true, and Adam might be innocent.
Satan had already sinned and was cast down to earth
before Adam sinned. One could say that she was the first known sinner on earth.
Further, did she not bring the first sin when, as Christians think, she lied to
Eve?
Was the sin of Adam a happy fault and necessary to god’s plan as Christians sing in their exulted hymn? If so, why call it a sin?
Did Yahweh lie when he told A & E that they would surely die if they educated themselves with knowledge? Why should knowledge and an education kill us?
The myth of Eden is more complicated than most want to believe. Especially when Christians call it a fall and the originators of the myth, the Jews; call it an elevation.
Regards
DL
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Sin, as a concept, does not only exist in the mind of the gullible religious, it also exists in the minds of the progressive side of religions.
That progressive side is our friend in fighting the right wing conservatives.
Did you have anything to offer on Eden, because that myth has been used to discriminate and denigrate women and gays ever since Christians changed the moral of the story from it's Jewish view of our elevation and success for both man and god in Eden, to a failure of all, except Satan.
Regards
DL
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The evidence suggests that most people are good and moral from birth and only are pushed to do things that are not in the interest of others when the circumstances require such actions, and eventually they become pathological.
When theists suggest that they are the only ones who know the path to salvation, they make the assumption that all others are and ignorant, and when they impose their perspective on others it is most always for personal gain.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Who put Lucifer right there beside Eve, and why did your omni-present god just sit there and let Eve be deceived?
Did God want Eve deceived, and was that a part of the --- sin is a happy fault and necessary to god's plan --- thing that Christian say?
Would you have allowed her to be deceived if you were god?
Regards
DL
P.S. I see that you like to be brief and then preachy. Stop it or I will ignore you.
Good apologetics should have you looking for my question marks, as I do with yours.
Please help me get better and also make you better at apologetics.
Christianity is running out of those.
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Are you saying that Lucifer and not Adam brought sin to the earth?
I see Eve disobeying first as she took the first bite of knowledge. Smart woman. That would have been the first coveting but I do not see anything wrong with wanting to gain knowledge.
If your children did not want that, you would be disappointed. Right? Why do you think god got angry enough to later murder A & E by neglect and locking away the tree of life?
Regards
DL
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As a esoteric ecumenist and naturalist, I do not see it as condescending. I see it a truth and as reality, but like Christianity singing that Adam's sin is a happy fault and necessary to god's plan, what we see as human to human evil, is indeed a happy fault for us and necessary to natures plan. Without the competition that causes all human to human evil, we would go extinct.
It is not so much that the bible is wrong, it is how we lose the message when we read it literally.
To your second statement.
You are correct that most people will default to cooperation or doing good as that is the best survival strategy.
Your third is bang on. Let me add.
Whenever a man believes that he has the exact truth from God, there is in that man no spirit of compromise. He has not the modesty born of the imperfections of human nature; he has the arrogance of theological certainty and the tyranny born of ignorant assurance. Believing himself to be the slave of God, he imitates his master, and of all tyrants the worst is a slave in power-Robert Green Ingersoll
Regards
DL
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Can you not, as scriptures say, come reason with me?
If Satan was somehow impure, and god was all there was in all that is, --- at the beginning, --- then anything evil or impure would have had to come out of him. He was all there was.
I thus refute your, "the Kingdom of God where nothing impure is permitted to dwell"
Now if you want to try speaking to the other issues I brought up above and you ignored, I am her to help you understand your religion.
You will have to think more and ignore the false teaching you are full of.
Come back to lean, not teach, as given all the issues you ignore or do not deal with, you have nothin to taech me.
Regards
DL
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Here is a clear example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=54&v=eeYYb0U7cJ0&feature=emb_logo
I find this to be very condescending, even though it is technically true.
Religions and the bible in particular take this a step further, because the problem on which it is based is fundamentally not verifiable. Sin is a made-up term. It's a problem that doesn't exactly exist.
I would also challenge the idea that human-to-human evils are somehow necessary for our survival, and I would do so on more than one level. For starters, I'm not convinced that such a thing as evil even exists. I think that this is an unnatural concept created by humans to anthropomorphize our surroundings and dehumanize others. Second, I can not think of any situations where human's must always take advantage of each other for survival, although there are situations where someone taking advantage of another is useful, I don't see this as an absolute requirement.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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The fittest is found by competition. No competition = no fittest.
If there is no fittest, who leads or sets the standards of fitness?
If there is no standard, how long do you think a species will last?
You do not believe evil exists???
If you have good at one end of a graph of best results, what word do you put at the other end of the graph, and is it not a synonym for evil?
Sin is also a synonym for crime and evil. Let's not waste time arguing the definition of words.
Philosophy profs say that that happens at the end of a discussion/debate, not before. If before, then it kills the conversation before it even starts.
Regards
DL
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Go away. You are not worth my time. All you are good for is cut and past as you cannot think or put anything but your simplistic garbage and abuse down.
I would tell you to grow up but it seems that that train has already left. You should go back to school. You sure need it.
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DL
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This does not mean, of course, that you can just forget about your misdoings and go on with your life; more often than not, amends are in order. The purpose of those amends, however, is not to wash something out of you, but to compensate the person(s) you have wronged. As for you, what really matters is that you have learned your lesson, so you do not repeat this mistake again if you can help it.
It goes without saying that such thing as a sin transferring from one person to another, or consumed by one person off another, does not exist. Sin cannot enter the world "through someone"; all moral matters relevant to the person are confined to the person and are not transferable.
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Many plants and animals that we rely on for food do not exist in nature, but rather were created by humans breeding them into existence. Humans have taken the fitness of nature and corrupted it to be fitness for man. We set the standard for many plants and animals, and they are the bulk of the species thriving in the Holocene extinction.
For the record, I don't exactly believe in "good" either, at least not as an objective part of reality. What is good and what is evil is subjective, such that good for one can be evil for another.
I don't believe in a black-and-white or binary morality, the "Disney" type of thinking where things and people are either absolutely good or absolutely evil. Like time, morality is relative, and depends on your frame of reference.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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My question was to find blame and put it on the right imaginary biblically character.
Do you have an opinion?
Regards
DL
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You can't be a gnostic CHRISTIAN as gnosis is stupidity.
Second God hates satan, theres nothing to love.
Adam and Eve rebelled, an act contrary to the natural nature of human creation.
God's nature is divine and God does not accept evil.
Satan was an evil moron. He lied to himself, and lies to others. He saw Yahweh God exalted by creation and perversely wanted what he doesn't deserve, obvious because of his actions and inability and the qualities that dumbatertruck lacks.
Yahweh is rightfully God and able to rule because of his qualities and nature.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was created to show mankind God's grace and mercy, and that Yahweh alone is capable of doing what is right.
Man had to realize he is incapable without Yahweh God and that making his own decisions man fails because sin does not produce anything good.
Jesus Christ is Lord.
Read Romans 10:9 and stop your own rebellious attitude by submitting to Jesus Christ.
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You can't be a gnostic CHRISTIAN as gnosis is stupidity.
Second God hates satan, theres nothing to love.
Adam and Eve rebelled, an act contrary to the natural nature of human creation.
God's nature is divine and God does not accept evil.
Satan was an evil moron. He lied to himself, and lies to others. He saw Yahweh God exalted by creation and perversely wanted what he doesn't deserve, obvious because of his actions and inability and the qualities that dumbatertruck lacks.
Yahweh is rightfully God and able to rule because of his qualities and nature.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was created to show mankind God's grace and mercy, and that Yahweh alone is capable of doing what is right.
Man had to realize he is incapable without Yahweh God and that making his own decisions man fails because sin does not produce anything good.
Jesus Christ is Lord.
Read Romans 10:9 and stop your own rebellious attitude by submitting to Jesus Christ.
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You can't be a gnostic CHRISTIAN as gnosis is stupidity.
Second God hates satan, theres nothing to love.
Adam and Eve rebelled, an act contrary to the natural nature of human creation.
God's nature is divine and God does not accept evil.
Satan was an evil moron. He lied to himself, and lies to others. He saw Yahweh God exalted by creation and perversely wanted what he doesn't deserve, obvious because of his actions and inability and the qualities that dumbatertruck lacks.
Yahweh is rightfully God and able to rule because of his qualities and nature.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was created to show mankind God's grace and mercy, and that Yahweh alone is capable of doing what is right.
Man had to realize he is incapable without Yahweh God and that making his own decisions man fails because sin does not produce anything good.
Jesus Christ is Lord.
Read Romans 10:9 and stop your own rebellious attitude by submitting to Jesus Christ.
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You can't be a gnostic CHRISTIAN as gnosis is stupidity.
Second God hates satan, theres nothing to love.
Adam and Eve rebelled, an act contrary to the natural nature of human creation.
God's nature is divine and God does not accept evil.
Satan was an evil moron. He lied to himself, and lies to others. He saw Yahweh God exalted by creation and perversely wanted what he doesn't deserve, obvious because of his actions and inability and the qualities that dumbatertruck lacks.
Yahweh is rightfully God and able to rule because of his qualities and nature.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was created to show mankind God's grace and mercy, and that Yahweh alone is capable of doing what is right.
Man had to realize he is incapable without Yahweh God and that making his own decisions man fails because sin does not produce anything good.
Jesus Christ is Lord.
Read Romans 10:9 and stop your own rebellious attitude by submitting to Jesus Christ.
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