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Creationist adherence has nothing to do with empirical evidence on the ground, let alone with any of the processes carried out to test and authenticate the find, particularly when not carried out by "Creationists". Again, you fall back on a fake arsenal to discredit, with no credibility yourself, politicizing that which can never be politicized, by adopting textbook Alinsky - "Rules for Radicals" - Rule No. 13: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Next step PARALYZE the thinking skills and indoctrinate the target. The "target" is always the people. Obama taught Alinsky text when he was employed by the now discredited and de-registered organisation of ACORN. Obama was a Marxist, his parents registered members of the Communist Party and the reason your generation influence peddle Marxism, unaware that you are, because it is a politic of stealth, never declaring its presence, never declaring its intent or Agenda. .
You are enacting it right here, picking Ron Wyatt as your target, freezing him, personalizing the discussion around him, by throwing up every UNACCREDITED slur, slander, libel, opprobrium, denigration and calumny that you can find on the internet, while deliberately ignoring the persistent 100% factual record and 100% authentication of every one of his archaeological finds. Not a single one has been discredited by science, by professional archaeological testing, laboratory testing, forensics, dating testing or by any AUTHORITATIVE method of verification. Not one, yet you chose to ignore all of that. Why? Because you choose to live a lie. Lies are not knowledge. Knowledge is the truth. Anything which is not the truth is not knowledge. Therefore, you don't deal in knowledge but ignorance. Why do you choose to do that? Because Marxism inculcates you to do so, to POLITICIZE everything, things which are not even political like religion, like sex, like gender, like children, like race, like ethnicity, like sports, like archaeology, etc. Why can't you see this?
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Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Do your individual Atheist stance, align with United States values?
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Ha , Ha @Grafix could solve that one has he has a answer for everything else
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***No. I do not mean you should have cited Discovery News or ANY news to mount an analysis of the veracity of this archaeological find.
Yet you cited them as your go to source
****I mean you should have gone to the source as already stated by me, meaning the tests and records which authenticate it,
There are none.....
Read it and weep .....again
After a few expeditions to the Durupınar site that included drilling and excavation in the 1990s, Fasold began to have doubts that the Durupınar formation was Noah's ark. He visited the site in September 1994 with Australian geologist Ian Plimer and concluded that the structure was not a boat.[15] He surmised that ancient peoples had erroneously believed the site was the ark.[15][17] In 1996, Fasold co-wrote a paper with geologist Lorence Collinstitled "Bogus 'Noah's Ark' from Turkey Exposed as a Common Geologic Structure", which concluded that the boat-shaped formation was a natural stone formation that merely resembled a boat. The same paper pointed out that the "anchors" were local volcanic stone.[17] The abstract reads:
A natural rock structure near Dogubayazit, Turkey, has been misidentified as Noah's Ark. Microscopic studies of a supposed iron bracket show that it is derived from weathered volcanic minerals. Supposed metal-braced walls are natural concentrations of limonite and magnetite in steeply inclined sedimentary layers in the limbs of a doubly plunging syncline. Supposed fossilized gopherwood bark is crinkled metamorphosed peridotite. Fossiliferous limestone, interpreted as cross cutting the syncline, preclude the structure from being Noah's Ark because these supposed "Flood" deposits are younger than the "Ark." Anchor stones at Kazan (Arzap) are derived from local andesite and not from Mesopotamia.[17]
In April 1997, in sworn testimony at an Australian court case, Fasold repeated his doubts and noted that he regarded the claim that Noah's ark had been found as "absolute ".[18][19][20]
Wiki
*****including the live footage which verifies its empirical existence on a hillside, all of which I have provided. How hard is that to understand? Why do you people compel us to continually repeat ourselves? Do you have no comprehension skills, no critical analysis to know how to mount an argument? It certainly appears that way.
Your whole narrative is B S if it was fact the whole world would sit up and take notice the only ones doing so are clowns like you who belong to a fringe creationist American cult
***/Creationist adherence has nothing to do with empirical evidence on the ground, let alone with any of the processes carried out to test and authenticate the find, particularly when not carried out by "Creationists".
It has everything to do with it as it’s members are science deniers with zero credibility except within their own group of assorted nuts
*****Again, you fall back on a fake arsenal to discredit, with no credibility yourself, politicizing that which can never be politicized, by adopting textbook Alinsky - "Rules for Radicals" - Rule No. 13: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Next step PARALYZE the thinking skills and indoctrinate the target. The "target" is always the people. Obama taught Alinsky text when he was employed by the now discredited and de-registered organisation of ACORN. Obama was a Marxist, his parents registered members of the Communist Party and the reason your generation influence peddle Marxism, unaware that you are, because it is a politic of stealth, never declaring its presence, never declaring its intent or Agenda. .
You’re ranting again don’t blame me that your hero Wyatt was exposed as a cheap conman who spent a lifetime saying he’d found the Ark yet again
***/You are enacting it right here, picking Ron Wyatt as your target, freezing him, personalizing the discussion around him, by throwing up every UNACCREDITED slur, slander, libel, opprobrium, denigration and calumny that you can find on the internet, while deliberately ignoring the persistent 100% factual record and 100% authentication of every one of his archaeological finds.
Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha read on son .....
Ron Wyatt
Ron Wyatt has made many amazing claims. Amazing claims demand amazing proof which Wyatt lacks.
****Not a single one has been discredited by science, by professional archaeological testing, laboratory testing, forensics, dating testing or by any AUTHORITATIVE method of verification. Not one, yet you chose to ignore all of that. Why? Because you choose to live a lie. Lies are not knowledge. Knowledge is the truth.
Anything which is not the truth is not knowledge. Therefore, you don't deal in knowledge but ignorance. Why do you choose to do that?
I’m starting to think you’re mentally unwell
***Because Marxism inculcates you to do so, to POLITICIZE everything, things which are not even political like religion, like sex, like gender, like children, like race, like ethnicity, like sports, like archaeology, etc. Why can't you see this?
Oh right I’m a Marxist now .........Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha
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After I wrote the following:
You replied with this:
It seems to me that you simply cannot understand plain English, bouncing in with the very same strategy that Dee was just called out for - personalizing and polarizing the target - me this time. Happy to be tarred with the same brush? Logic? Brains? Critical analytical thinking skills? Intellect? Or just too damned dumb lazy to read anything, intent only upon destroying our nation? He who bashes our Constitution. He who bashes the very document which enables him to choose to be an atheist in the first place. He who bashes Christianity which tolerates his atheism and does not come after him with a great whacking scimitar to behead him.
I see you - straight through you, Karl Jihad. Now go look up the definitions of "scimitar" and "Jihad", just to be sure you understand me fully. How many Christians have died by the blade of the scimitar? Billions.
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Checkmate Atheists .........
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**** Dee is petulant servant of Satan...lost, defiled by choice, living without hope. May God have mercy on Dee's soul
Why are you getting all butt hurt , you and @Grafix can use this as evidence for your young Earth claims it’s better than what’s you have at the moment
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****
**** Dee is petulant servant of Satan...lost, defiled by choice, living without hope. May God have mercy on Dee's soul
Why are you getting all hurt , you and @Grafix can use this as evidence for your young Earth claims it’s better than what’s you have at the moment
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***** More of your "knowledge"? LOL!
No that’s your “knowledge “as that’s what you and your new boyfriend @RickeyD believe ...remember ?
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You are not the topic of this discussion, the topic is:
Does Christianity align with US values?
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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**** Again, you have "chosen" to be a festering boil on the backside of America..
Says the American “Christian “ who's from a country where the mainly “Christian “ population segregated blacks up to the 1960’s you have no right to deem others what you obviously are
.****your words are the words of your father, Satan, and I know him and his motives...meaninglessness and hopelessness, despair and ultimately nothingness in the Lake of Fire.
Says the guy who hates everyone who’s not a racist , bigot and young Earth creationist like them
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Do your Atheist views, aling with United Kingdom values?
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I can prove your faux "knowledge" in a single sentence. LOL! Dinosaurs were long extinct before the time of Christ. LOL!
Your so-called enlightened "knowledge" assumes that Rickey and I are sodomites. Really? I'm proudly hetero. Can't speak for Rickey. We've never met. LOL! No duo between you and Happy Killjoy?
OBSERVATION:
Interesting to witness how the topic quickly degenerated and descended rapidly into the gutter after posting the comment below, with every semblance of debate thrown out the window and suddenly reduced to peronalizing, polarizing and paralyzing opponents. It's called diversion. Alinsky authored that strategy too. When all out of aces, attack your opponents.
DEBATING THE TOPIC:
Below is the post that triggered this inglorious descent into the gutter. The post has never been rebutted: (Just any reply is not a rebuttal.)
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**** Do your Atheist views, aling with United Kingdom values?
What are “United Kingdom values” ? Also I’m not from the United Kingdom you clot
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1. Existed
2. Died off before the events of the bible
You have argued before that the US moral values are true because they can be traced back to Adam and Eve, but then you say that dinosaurs existed, which completely dissolves the creation myth in the book of Genesis, indicating that it is not an accurate account of the world, and therefore would not be the original source of morality.
Sorry son, you played yourself.
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All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Due to your amply demonstrated penchant for misquoting, misrepresenting and distorting others' words, the quintessential wordsmith, until you show by direct quotation that I have said what you claim, your comment must be ignored. It must also be ignored for the very reason that it does not respond to the above post, i.e. fails to rebut the fact that your topic question is a complete and utter imbecilic non sequitur, by virtue of the process of government legislation.
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***** I can prove your faux "knowledge" in a single sentence. LOL! Dinosaurs were long extinct before the time of Christ. LOL!
****Your so-called enlightened "knowledge" assumes that Rickey and I are sodomites.
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And they are not in the bible, also right?
Because of this we can conclude that the bible, or rather those who wrote it were blissfully unaware of the dinosaurs. That means that no person has ever seen a living dinosaur.
If no one has ever seen a living dinosaur, then it must be because they were dead long before the people in the bible existed, and therefore it follows that because dinosaurs were real that the creation myth in the book of Genesis is false. The world is not 6,000 years old, and Adam and Eve were not the first people, if they ever even existed.
The bible is a book of lies. If you are to claim that every moral thought can be traced back to Adam and Eve but you also believe in dinosaurs, then you have a contradiction in your own beliefs. Either way, you lose.
The US was in no way founded on Christian morals or ethics. This is a myth.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Here it is again:
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You argument no longer holds any water, because I have proved to you that your very same worldview refutes the very argument you made.
You argued that the US is based on Christian morality, when I said that this morality comes from other sources, such as the Sumerians who pre-dated the Hebrews and influenced them heavily, you said that wasn't possible because Adam and Eve came before them. However the existence of dinosaurs means that the creation myth is a lie, hence the book of Genesis being the foundation for all morality is not a valid argument, therefore the Sumerians did exist before the Hebrews, and they are therefore the source of most legal principals and US laws did not come from the bible, hence the US is not founded on Judaeo-Christian ethics.
Your house of cards comes tumbling down.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Where is this proof of yours that Christianity has legislative powers and has imposed those laws upon the will of the people and thereby created a nonalignment with the founding documents? Where have you even argued what that non-alignment is? You have not even bothered to defend the legitimacy of your own question.
Please answer this question, which goes straight to the core of your own question, heading this topic:
As Christianity is PROTECTED by law to be permitted to uphold its beliefs, then how can Christianity be in non-alignment with the founding documents, when those very same documents provide that very same protection to Christianity (and/or any other sect)?
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*** Debate the post and quit the crap.
I did and hammered you remember?
******You have nothing, zero, zilch, to contribute, only vile venom, petty petulance and illogical looney bin bile. Get over it.
Says the guy who believes a renowned con man found Noah’s Ark Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha
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*** Debate the post and quit the crap.
I did and hammered you remember?
******You have nothing, zero, zilch, to contribute, only vile venom, petty petulance and illogical looney bin bile. Get over it.
Says the guy who believes a renowned con man found Noah’s Ark Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha
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- congress doesn't make the law
- or that Christianity does
- or that Christians can not have their beliefs
- or that Christianity imposes beliefs on people
- that Congress has legislated any Christian tenants because of Christianity
- those ten commandments are the basis of the laws
- or that people do not approve of these laws
I have never made any of these arguments.Christianity has no say nor should it ever have a say in what goes on in politics.
Christianity doesn't align with US beliefs because if you follow Christian doctrines, then you have to deny the rights as laid out in the US constitution!
In particular, Christianity doesn't guarantee:
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Where is this proof of yours that Christianity has legislative powers and has imposed those laws upon the will of the people and thereby created a nonalignment with the founding documents? Where have you even argued what that non-alignment is? You have not even bothered to defend the legitimacy of the topic question.
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Please answer this question, which goes straight to the core of the question, the heading to this topic:
As Christianity is PROTECTED by law to be permitted to uphold its beliefs, then how can Christianity be in non-alignment with the founding documents, when those very same documents provide that very same protection to Christianity (and/or any other sect)?
When you have done all of the above, I shall doff my hat and agree that you have done as you claim. I somehow don't think dinosaurs make the cut.
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I don’t even know what you’re babbling about , calm down and try and post up something that doesn’t sound like the babbling of a Young Earth Creationist ....Wait .....problem solved
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Man O' Man. God give me strength. You never ever needed to argue your bullet points below ....
....for the simple reason that your Topic Question automatically PRESUMES them. Why can't you see that? It sticks out like dogs' balls. These presumptions are all inherent in your question by virtue of the fact they would first be necessary to even consider that it is possible for Christianity to be non-aligned with the founding documents. .Such a situation could only ever occur if all of your bullet points were a FACT. As they are not, then the premise of your question becomes an impossibility.. That is precisely why your question is a non sequitur from the very get go.
But then you correctly acknowledge this ....
I agree it should not, does not and should never. The quizzical thing about your knowing that, is why then can't you understand that it automatically annihilates your original question? Your question necessitates that Christianity is a threat to the ethos of the founding documents and thereby potentially to our laws. It is a contradiction in terms given that the founding documents protect Christianity.
Man O' Man. Are you on crack? No logic can be found here. Some of your bullet points are not what the Bible actually says, are misinterpretations by you, while other described practices have never been practised by Christianity. You are confusing Old Testament Hebraic practices, (Judaism) with Christianity.. Christianity did not exist then. It began with Christ, as its name implies..
To the relevant point: There is not a single religion on earth which doesn't require a faith in its doctrines. Without doctrines a religion cannot be said to exist. If you do not adopt its doctrines, then you cannot claim to belong to that religion. There is no autocratic, despotic or dictatorial requirement by Christianity that we MUST adopt ANY of its doctrines, let alone believe them. That is entirely voluntary. For example: If we choose not to accept that there is but one God, then the solution is simple. We choose not to be a Christian.. Big Whoop. That's our right. However, if we choose that path, but the pastors then persecute, hound and oppress us for making that choice, then it is not the religion which is persecuting us. It is the pastors.
You have great difficulty in SEPARATING dichotomies, the same way you could not separate the fact that the nation is non-secular from the fact that the government is secular.
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I'm not arguing that someone can not be Christian, I am arguing that the US is not a Christian nation and it was not founded on Christian ideas, morals, or values. That is all.
What I am saying is that there can be no freedom of religion without freedom from religion, meaning if someone wants to say "f*** you god, you are either a d*** or a lie" they can do that all they please.
That is why I am pleased to say that I am an atheist because I don't subscribe to lies and instead prefer objective reality, nasty as it is. I don't delude myself with the promise of an "eternal afterlife" because I know that it isn't going to happen no matter how much traditions say so and I or anyone wants it to. Not only are all religions false, but there is no god, it is all made up, and you know that it is, you just make one exception. That is the difference between us. One exception.
I don't think you know Christianity that well anyways, I believe you are a Catholic, is that correct? Your buddy Rickey doesn't think that Catholics are Christians just so you know.
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Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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As I have said repeatedly throughout, based on your own arguments, you needed to seriously reconsider and re-frame the wording of your question, but you refused to. You have fallen on your own sword for that failure.
If that is all you argued, then this debate would not now be in its sixth page. Nevertheless, that aside, you have been amply proved wrong on that point The scholars disagree with you, the many scholarly works which I have pointed you to, glibly ignored by you, prove it. The law itself repudiates that claim with five Christian precepts enshrined in it and a moral precept also enshrined in it - monogamy enshrined in the Marriage Act.
What makes you think Americans can't say that, now? You have by virtue of your choice of atheism proved that they can. To pretend it is not a freedom is the lie. Anyone who knows you are atheist knows that is precisely what you are screaming back. Your argument that there is no freedom to do this is rebutted soundly by your own situation. Am gobsmacked you can't see that. Excuse me while I pick myself up off the floor.
Freedom from religion means oppression of religion and is a deceitful Luciferian trope, designed to persuade numbed brains. The Constitution forbids such a law, anyway.
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**** I believe you are a Catholic, is that correct? Your buddy Rickey doesn't think that Catholics are Christians just so you know.
He cannot possibly be a Catholic I’m a former Catholic and normally Catholics have pretty good educational standards this guy is a clot even Catholics would disown him , I think he’s a 7th day Adventist as his go to site was one that supports this cult, they’re normally too embarrassed to admit what abomination they follow
You’re spot on about R he calls Catholics....... “Satanists “ , they’re barking mad either way
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I don't have to re-frame my question or the challenge I have issued to suit your fragile ego, and besides I did it twice for you, once as a picture (that you thought was demographics for some reason) and once as a procedural list which can not be misinterpreted, so I guess you owe me.
Oh, you mean the Noah's ark scholars? Yeah, those are reliable aren't they?
Remember, part of the challenge is that they have to be unique to Christianity, and those that you mention are not unique to or sourced from Christianity, so they do not count as solutions to the challenge.
I'm not arguing that people are not allowed to say these things, Americans can say that, Christians can not. That is my point, if you are a Christian then you can not accept the constitution because there are religious rules that say you can't. This is because to live as a Christian is to not live by the US constitution.
As a Christian, are you free to say "F*** god, Jesus is a lie, believers are immoral"? If so, why don't you say it out loud then, unless you are afraid of hell or something.
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By the way. You could not be more wrong. I was educated in a private traditional Christian denominational school, not an Evangelical one and do not subscribe to Evangelism, which I believe the SDA do.
Keep guessing Miss Alinsky, but it is for me to know and you never to know. None of your bleeding' busy-body business, completely irrelevant to the topic. A low-brow mentality to even think it is. Only lefties do this nosey kind of personal probing. Is necessary for their Agenda of ridicule, following their God Alinsky's little red book. Conservatives never do it. They have more respect for other's privacy. Funny that.
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Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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We also know that there are lots of Catholic private schools, and they happen to be the largest group of private schools in the US.
While this is not conclusive proof, it is statistically most likely that you would be Catholic.
We do know that Rickey absolutely hates Catholics and non-protestants, because he has admitted to such, and I believe he started a thread a while back about it, if you ask him he will tell you all about it.
All of this is more or less irrelevant to this discussion, but you should know that if you deviate from Rickey even just a little, he will try to hang you. He is also the reason I made this post, because he genuinely believes that the US is Christian founded by Christians for Christians to be Christian, and if you are a Catholic you don't count, and if you are Muslim you need to get out, and if you are an atheist you are the literal spawn of Satan and are everything wrong with America.
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Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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**** - You're not very bright are you? Ron Wyatt was an SDA.
Wyatt’s religious affiliation was with the Seventh-day Adventist sect. Ironically, the most thorough exposé of the gentleman’s claims was produced by two scholars of his own denomination — Russell R. and Colin D. Standish.
You are as you cannot even comprehend what 7th day adventist is unless it’s put in bold type as in in SDA
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**** - You're not very bright are you? Ron Wyatt was an SDA.
Wyatt’s religious affiliation was with the Seventh-day Adventist sect. Ironically, the most thorough exposé of the gentleman’s claims was produced by two scholars of his own denomination — Russell R. and Colin D. Standish.
You are as you cannot even comprehend what 7th day adventist is unless it’s put in bold type as in in SDA
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I've already answered all of those points. You are just regurgitating your same old same old, like a drunken parrot and not addressing my points at all. I see no merit in turning up the volume for the deaf and the blind. It will change nothing. I asked you to explain your answer to a very specific question, which would unlock your myopic affliction, but I note you refrained. That's telling.
LOL! Not that I needed a run-down of anyone's opinion of another commenter's private anguish. As he is not here to defend himself and even if he were, I cannot know these things first-hand about him, so I shall simply refrain from commenting at all on that description.
If his sentiments however, are what triggered your topic, I can only say they were poorly based on an emotional reaction. Not a good start and poorly expressed, your question not meeting the necessary intellectual criterion of logic that could contrive any kind of logical debate. I say again, your question is a non sequitur in and of itself. Maybe you need to unlock the meaning of the Latin right there.
It just simply is not possible to blame the very institution being protected by its protectors for being a protected institution, meaning religion, which is basically what your question ultimately grinds down to in the final analysis.
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The question in the title is open ended. You can say "yes" "no" or "Tuesday", but only one of these is non-sequitur.
I say the answer is no because of the fundamental incompatibilities between the religion and the US Constitution, thus the two run contrary to each other in many instances and are therefore not aligned.
Furthermore, I issue a challenge for anyone to show me any value unique to Christianity which is also a US founding value, for which the only answer thus far provided is racial slavery.
You should go comment on Rickey's most recent post, which is itself a response to this one and ask him about Catholics.
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https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/4576/was-americas-constitutional-republic-crafted-to-tolerate-atheism-moral-relativism
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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However, we could imagine a new religion that is, although this task is beyond the scope of this debate.
To your proposal about monogamy, this is a little tricky to qualify for sure. There are many animals that are strictly monogamous and mate for life, and although they do not have marriage as an institution, it might be argued that animals invented it first, including most birds and mammals. That seems like a bit of a cop out, so lets only look at cultures which had or have some kind of formal marriage system and accompanying laws.
I can find 2 examples of early marriage evidence which would qualify as a monogamous marriage:
The Elephantine Papyri are a collection of ancient documents and manuscripts by a Jewish community. Among them is a marriage contract from the 5th BCE.
http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/Contracts/marri05.html
We also know that the Sumerians had some form of formal marriage dating back to about 2,2000 BCE.
https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/ancient/mesopotamia-contracts.asp#Marriage
Perhaps you would argue that these don't count because they are not a binding licence with the state. The English have required a marriage licence since 1215 with the Church and Hardwicke's marriage law of 1753 made it a legal requirement by the state.
However the US was not entirely on board with this idea, at least on on a federal level. Common law marriage was recognized and in fact, is still fully recognized in 9 states (Texas calls it Informal marriage). The Libertarian party is generally against marriage requirements, believing that marriage is between individuals and not the state.
If you have a better argument or more evidence to provide or clarifications to make, feel free to do so.
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Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
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