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Suppose the universe created itself, due to the topology of time-space branching off and curving back on itself?
Time and Space are the same things explained with different principles of mathematics would be a kind of Big clue. Places hand back on MIB neuralyzer, some people have a hard time with basic math explained in the most complicated and complex way it could be explained.
Wait! is that a made-up word, neuralyzer. Dumb freedom of the press to used to address the grievance and not charge for entertainment. How dare you.
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Yes I get all that if one is claiming a cause , be he named his “cause “ as in ..... P3. Since the universe is the sum totality of time space and matter, a cause of the universe must be immaterial, spaceless, and outside time.
But he added
We reason this Cause is God.
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Can I use the same argument and name my cause "Bob"?
If it makes you feel better, I would object to the defense as well. What does it mean for something to be immaterial, spaceless, and timeless? For all we know that may be a perfect description of "nothing".
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***If it makes you feel better, I would object to the defense as well.
It’s not about me or me feeling better , I just did what you claimed you would do as that’s the very defence he used
****What does it mean for something to be immaterial, spaceless, and timeless? For all we know that may be a perfect description of "nothing".
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Good argument, however, the problem I have with it is that it is a "conditional" argument. You used the word "if" twice in your statement and your "compelling" conclusion was based on those hypothetical "ifs".
Even if one were to accept the hypothetical "ifs" I think it is wrong t assume that there could only be one conclusion.
The use the word "God" I think is quite often used as a "cover all for all occasions, in other words, to define the unknown cause. Whereas, for the purpose of this discussion and the forum itself we do have a clear definition:
"God is conceived of as the supreme being, creator deity, and principal object of faith".
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