I see you are upholding Celsus. You know he said that Jesus performed miracles right? Tell me, was he 'reveling in his ignorance' or was the evidence so strong that Jesus preformed miracles he couldn't deny it?Factfinder said:
Neither of you like to admit it, but you both know I'm right. Atheism does not offer an objective source of what is good and evil. Good and evil is just your personal opinion, or the opinion of a group. Either of which can be subjugated by a more powerful person or group. You can't say that something is objectively good or evil, only that it is your preference. Atheism is a substandard system of morality, because it really isn't about justice or defending the weak, but defending the interests of the most powerful. And we all know I'm right - and it angers you that it is true.Joeseph said:
You know these arguments have been thoroughly defeated several times so why do you keep preaching them on a debate site?just_sayin said:Well, atheism is not a formally recognized religion, though SCOTUS did claim humanism can be considered one. The Church of Satan has atheism as a principal belief, so it is indeed an atheistic religion - with a 503C classification.xlJ_dolphin_473 said:@RickeyHoltsclaw
Atheism is not a religion; it is better thought of as a-theism rather than athe-ism. The only factor uniting all atheists is the lack of belief in a god. There are many claims you do not believe - that does not make you a member of thousands of religions, one for each claim.
While atheism is not a religion unto itself, it does require a lot of extraordinary beliefs. You have to believe that everything can from nothing. That order came from chaos. That life came from non-life. That consciousness came from non-consciousness, and that morals came from matter. At least when a magician pulls a rabbit out of his hat, he has a hat. Many atheists assert that the universe came from zero space. How much stuff can you fit in zero space. If you have the faith of an atheist, you can fit a whole universe. I just don't have enough faith to be an atheist.
The debate isn't about your hate of God. My point is that there can not be objective morals within an atheistic framework - either morals are what an individual says they are, or what a group says they are. Both individuals and groups are flawed and subject to personal prejudices. Within atheism there is no objective source of morality to appeal to. Your morals are no better than the morals of a pedophiles - both of you do what you think is best for yourself. You may not like how I frankly frame the discussion, but it is the truth.Factfinder said:@just_sayin
Its not that atheists can't be moral people - its that atheism offers no basis for an objective morality
Kudos on your preaching abilities but as you know this is a debate site of which you've lost this debate numerous times already. No matter how many times you preach fallacy, it remains false.
Where your illogic always fails you is claiming an imaginary god derived from 66 fictious myth books combined into one, somehow dispenses morals when the violence contained within the writings are subject to human oversight and correction through the canonization process. In other words humans condoned acts of violence on behalf of their god as it is written and that just signifies human approval based in fantasy. Subjective. Open to interpretation. Far from objective.
Well, atheism is not a formally recognized religion, though SCOTUS did claim humanism can be considered one. The Church of Satan has atheism as a principal belief, so it is indeed an atheistic religion - with a 503C classification.xlJ_dolphin_473 said:@RickeyHoltsclaw
Atheism is not a religion; it is better thought of as a-theism rather than athe-ism. The only factor uniting all atheists is the lack of belief in a god. There are many claims you do not believe - that does not make you a member of thousands of religions, one for each claim.