Incest - Is it moral?

kakalam777

@Dee @ZeusAres42
My point is @Dee doesn't consider written records as a prove, but is convinced by written records and using the same for accusing someone, so I want a more substantial prove from @Dee

PS: By the way I should thank you all, I was writing an article on behaviour of religious apologist to anti-religion and the Atheist, and Dee has been a good test subject for it. Provided a good amount of data about intolerance, vileness towards people who follow religion, Not towards religion but targeting hate towards people.

Dee

@kakalam777

****My point is @Dee doesn't consider written records as a prove,

So yet again you lie in an attempt to squirm out of your web of lies

I told you there are records for my existence that can be verified , there is nothing for your god a book of contradictory unscientific is not proof which is why it's only accepted by the brainwashed 

*****but is convinced by written records and using the same for accusing someone, so I want a more substantial prove from 


The burden of proof is with you to prove a god exists you cannot do so as you have no proof of such 

If you claim I have to disprove your god then you have to disprove every othef god ever put forward 


****PS: By the way I should thank you all, I was writing an article on behaviour of religious apologist to anti-religion and the Atheist,


You writing an article don't make me laugh you don't even know what burden of proof means you  

****and Dee has been a good test subject for it. Provided a good amount of data about intolerance, vileness towards people who follow religion,

It's not vile to detest a religion that promotes child sex , it's not vile to criticise you for claiming that you know children who lust after you and mockingly saying their parents don't know .

You've spent 4 days defending peadophillia people like you are disgusting low life's who know the damage you do and don't give a flying f..k

It's not vile to detest a Bronze Age barbaric belief system that's non inclusive and regressive

*****Not towards religion but targeting hate towards people.

Strange that after I stated I admired ex Muslims who were brave enough to reject Islam , its the backward savages like you I have no time for and your constant lies and deflection it's a cornerstone of Islam to lie to protect the "faith " and it's something that comes naturally to you 

Izni

@Dee @ZeusAres42
****I told you there are records for my existence that can be verified , there is nothing for your god a book of contradictory unscientific is not proof which is why it's only accepted by the brainwashed 

He is saying to destroy these records of yours and prove your identity and existence  and your qualifications without them.  Its a active claim which can be tested by oneself personally, and hence it is not Unfalsifiable idea, as it actively demonstrates the significance of certified records, and how important they are as an individuals identity or proof of property, education and other things. 

So This is a practical way to say "certified records can act as a proof" or "you can prove your identity with a passport as a proof"

Sorry I just joined today and was curious about the incest part between cousins. But it is not there in this thread.

Dee

@Izni

***He is saying to destroy these records of yours and prove your identity and existence  and your qualifications without them.  

I don’t need records to prove my identity I’m an artist my work is pretty well know and can be viewed in galleries and even when I die DNA testing could be done to testing my grave as to  whether I existed or not , either way I never claimed to be a god , you claim there is such and have zero credible evidence for such a claim.

***Its  a active claim which can be tested by oneself personally, and hence it is not Unfalsifiable idea, as it actively demonstrates the significance of certified records, and how important they are as an individuals identity or proof of property, education and other things. 

But a claim that the Quran is proof of Allah  using the “logic “ you’ve just used is nonsense and “certified “ by who exactly?

Also that means you accept all claims of other gods as equally true and if not why not?

****So This is a practical way to say "certified records can act as a proof" or "you can prove your identity with a passport as a proof"

For people to know I exist they merely have to look and see me in front of them , unlike Allah which not one shred of proof exists 

****Sorry I just joined today and was curious about the incest part between cousins. But it is not there in this thread.

You didn’t , this is your second account and if you start trolling again I will report you 

Izni

I have no interest in your identity nor have any obligation to answer any of your questions. I just want to know your claim

***You didn’t , this is your second account and if you start trolling again I will report you.

can you prove your claim?

Dee

@Izni


*****

I have no interest in your identity nor have any obligation to answer any of your questions. 

Yet you keep asking 

***I just want to know your claim

I have no interest in you nor have I any obligation to answer any of your questions. 

**** can you prove your claim?

I just reported you 

Izni

@Dee

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I have read the entire thread and I can report you anytime, because all your posts have been vulgar, offensive, harassing and hateful.

I think I should just do that...be right back mailing the customer service...I have taken the images as prove of your vulgar offensives and personal attacks. 

Dee

@Izni

Back at ya buddy .......

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I have read the entire thread and I can report you anytime, because all your posts have been vulgar, offensive, harassing and hateful.

I think I should just do that...be right back mailing the customer service...I have taken the images as prove of your vulgar offensives and personal attacks. 

Izni

@Dee muted you so you can carry on, I prefer to have honest conversations, not babble with ill-educated individuals.

Dee

@Izni

****** muted you so you can carry on,

Thank you 

****I prefer to have honest conversations,

That will be a new experience for you 

****not babble with ill-educated individuals.

Well avoid conversations with Muslims so ......Bye 

kakalam777

@Dee

kakalam777

 
@Dee did you miss me so much that the new member who joined the forum automatically became my alt? 
And I see you being anti-Muslim like usual, I would never mute you because you are an entertaining specimen to me.

Dee

@kakalam777

****Did you see the. new member who joined the forum its my alt? 

I know 

****And I see you note I’m being racist like usual, I should be  muted and I’m not even entertaining

I agree again on both counts  

kakalam777

@Dee

***I don’t need records to prove my identity I’m an artist my work is pretty well know and can be viewed in galleries and even when I die DNA testing could be done to testing my grave as to  whether I existed or not , either way I never claimed to be a god , you claim there is such and have zero credible evidence for such a claim.

Hey didn't know you were an artist, you have deviantart? But I doubt your claims, can you link me any of your paintings as prove of your claim.

Dee

@kakalam777

***** Hey didn't know you were an artist, you have deviantart?

I’m a professional artist and no I’ve no interest in that site 

*****But I doubt your claims,

I couldn’t care less 

**** can you link me any of your paintings as prove of your claim.

Why would I do that? Several people here have seen my work so the opinion of a troll like you is not on my to do list . 

Incidentally if you insist on this continuous harrasssment I will report you to Aarong 

kakalam777

@Dee
Aww come on, it's just a painting,  not like I am asking your personal pictures, no need to guard yourself so much. And Aarong is my friend so he won't say anything, beside I never broke any rules on forum. 

Dee

@kakalam777

****Aww come on, it's just a painting,  not like I am asking your personal pictures, no need to guard yourself so much.

But why would I show a troll my work?


***/And Aarong is my friend so he won't say anything, beside I never broke any rules on forum. 

Is he indeed we shall see about that .....keep it up after all your friend won’t warn you will he?

kakalam777

@Dee
Can we move to personal chat this should not be discussed in forum thread.

Dee

@kakalam777

**** Can we move to personal chat this should not be discussed in forum thread

You are the one harassing me so please continue and don’t worry as you say you’re ok to do so as Aarong is your friend so do carry on ..........

kakalam777

@Dee
The thread is going off topic. I follow rules.

RickeyD

When a Nation seeks death via immorality, what is incest, why does it matter?  What's a little incest among socialists, sodomites, abortionist advocates, atheists?

The 2020 Democrat-Socialist Platform is an embarrassment to God and common decency. The core tenets of America’s Constitutional Republic cannot be sustained when leadership espouses the works of Satan as public policy.  America’s Constitutional Republic, its founding documents, are based on freedom and liberty for the people and by the people. This freedom and liberty is under girded by the construction of a very limited federal government carefully enshrined and monitored by checks and balances and power that is divided among equal branches of government responsibility and government oversight through a representative democracy.

Our Founders knew that the success of a limited, non-intrusive, government that maximized the freedom of the American people depended wholly upon an overwhelming number of citizens possessing a heart that was redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ as Lord; hence, a Church on almost every street corner in early American municipalities. It is Jesus Christ as Lord and the indwelling Holy Spirit that would guide men and women to pursue personal lives dedicated to honoring the Word of God and living lives of dignity, morality, peace, ethics, love for God, love for family, love for country – Patriots. Our Founders knew that unless Jesus was Lord in the lives of the majority, there would be insufficient numbers of police-prosecutors-judges-penal institutions to maintain peace and order and domestic tranquility for the common welfare of the whole. Today, America no longer seeks the wisdom of Jesus Christ but America seeks the Satanic ideology of “moral relativism” via Socialists, Sodomites, Abortionists, Atheists; therefore, America is dying in apostasy because America has rejected Her first Love, Jesus Christ as Lord, Sustainer, King.

Socialism

Socialism is the foundational positioning of the Progressive Socialist candidate vying for the White House in 2020. Socialism has failed in every instance it has been tried throughout history. Every socialist traitor running for public office and every socialist traitor that “claims” the title of American defecates on the grave of every man and woman whose has fought and died to defend America’s Constitutional Republic from the horrors of Leninism-Marxism.

Sodomites

Any man or woman lacking the willingness or moral capacity to understand basic human sexual physiology is not psychologically or morally fit for public office. Any man or woman willing to spit in the face of our Creator’s Covenant of Marriage between one-man/one-woman becoming one-flesh for life does not possess the moral capacity to lead a Nation whose very existence depends on obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Abortionists

Any man or woman who espouses the mutilation of babies in the womb is a criminal, is morally bankrupt, psychologically ill and is unfit to hold any position of leadership in Government in any capacity as representing the people of the United States.

Atheists

Any man or woman who lies to God, who lies to them self, who lies to their fellowman, concerning the necessity for our Creator is unfit for public office. Any man or woman lacking the cognitive acuity to discern design in our Universe thus mandating a Designer, is unfit for public office as a representative of the American people.

Conclusion

America has gone the way of Sodom and America will reap what She has sown and it will be America’s posterity that suffers to the greatest degree because America has rejected Her King, Jesus Christ, and sought the whore of infidelity, Satan.

Dee

@kakalam777

***** The thread is going off topic. I follow rules.

Well stop doing it and stalking me ......Your constant harrasssment  is a breach of rules 

kakalam777

kakalam777

@Dee
     aww come on I am only here for few days, once I finish writing my thing, I will delete this a/c....so make the most of your the time with me, and send me painting done by u.
Trust me you will miss me when I am gone.

Dee

@kakalam777


Troll away 

kakalam777

@Dee
How do you delete msg'es, I keep posting twice.

Dee

@kakalam777

Dont worry about it I keep flagging them to Aarong .....do continue 

kakalam777

@Dee
How do you flag them?

kakalam777

@aarong @Dee
Hey buddy can you put a delete option below edit...cheers.

kakalam777

@Dee

But a claim that the Quran is proof of Allah  using the “logic “ you’ve just used is nonsense and “certified “ by who exactly?

Want me to eloberate this point?

A royal decree by a King can only be certified by the agency in question aka God. But it itself doesn't become the agency, rather act as a indication of existence of that agency, and decrees are sent through messengers to peasant not directly addressed to people by King Himself.

You might ask why not contact the public directly, and show yourself?

The answer lies in your incapability to see, and further it is a Kings prerogative when to have appointments with His subjects, and that has already been said again and again to be judgement day. 

I hope you learned something new today.

Dee

But a claim that the Quran is proof of Allah  using the “logic “ you’ve just used is nonsense and “certified “ by who exactly?

*****Want me to eloberate this point?

Is that not obvious as I keep asking 

******A royal decree by a King can only be certified by the agency in question aka God. 

Which god? How does an unproven certify something?

****But it itself doesn't become the agency, 

Read above 

****rather act as a indication of existence of that agency, 

That's called special pleading , it's something you have zero evidence for 

*****and decrees are sent through messengers to peasant not directly addressed to people by King Himself.

But kings have been known to exist gods have not except by the gullible 

*****You might ask why not contact the public directly, and show yourself?

Right so you believe in all things supernatural based on that logic?

********The answer lies in your incapability to see, 

Incorrect my ability to see does not leave me in the position of believing you're only Muslim because of where you were born if born here you would most likely be Christian 

****and further it is a Kings prerogative when to have appointments with His subjects, and that has already been said again and again to be judgement day. 

Said by an unproven ,you're back to special pleading 

*****I hope you learned something new today.

No I haven't actually haven't,  you've just confirmed what I already knew as in you still have zero proof for your god leaving you in the position like believers in all other gods of believing in something on blind faith and nothing else to back it up.

You're yet another victim of cultural brainwashing but haven't the guts to even question why you believe as you're terrified you might have your world view destroyed, you cannot even say why you believe can you ?

kakalam777

@Dee

Which god? How does an unproven certify something

Decree itself is a form of prove of issuing agency. You don't carry your country into your pocket to prove that you are from that country when you show your passport in a foreign country. Neither do you carry your land plot with you to show that you are owner of the that plot when showing evidence of your ownership, you only provide certified record, You don't carry your university or school in your pocket to your job interview in a foreign country to show you studied there, you only show your certified record memo or degree. Hence that is way in society certified record is prove of existence of that agency.

That's called special pleading , it's something you have zero evidence for 

But kings have been known to exist gods have not except by the gullible.

And what am I achieving from special pleading you money, fame, honour, chocolates? 

God have been know to exist through messengers longer than kings have know to establish their kingdoms if you take historical records upanishads, Vedas, Dasatir, Torah, and many world religions who have textual records...whether they were separated by location or not, they always had one God that created  not just the world but "the universe" . The oly gods that are unworthy are the creation itself, like sun, moon, stars, and all human resembling idols who have a backstory of being born in this world, dying, having children, family, fighting etc and somehow disappearing without leaving their progeny in our current world to this day and age.

 Right so you believe in all things supernatural based on that logic?

Who said God needs to be supernatural? he is natural in his Godliness, like fish in see, bird in sky. like microorganism in every part of the world. Doe being outside of space-time make one supernatural, it just mean God is only maximally great being. 

Tell me why does God needs to be extraordinary. 

Incorrect my ability to see does not leave me in the position of believing you're only Muslim because of where you were born if born here you would most likely be Christian 

You can't see midday sun for 5 minutes without going blind, and God made dibs on creating such a sun, you can't survive a lighten-strike for 15 seconds and God made dibs on its natural occurrence, you can't survive without water for few days, and God made dibs on being the one to provide it on Earth. You can't breath inside the water and God made dibs on the air.

I am not trying to prove my being muslim or you being christian here, I am showing you the idea that "something out of nothing" is absurd, there is finely tune universe because there is a fine tuner, there is a tree because it came out of seed, there is universe made of matter because someone created that matter. And God has been making dibs on matter itself for 4000+ years...if we had older written records maybe 10,000 years:

"There is no image of him. He is unborned and He should be worshipped" (Yajurveda, Chapter 32, Verse 3) 

"Say this, all one God in many names" (Rigveda, Book 1, Hymn 164, Verse 46) 

"Do not worship anyone besides him alone, praise him alone" (Rigveda, Book 8, Hymn 1, Verse 1) 

See I am not even quoting anything from  Quran...this is 3000 year older book from Quran from India sub-continent. The oldest written texts after the Gilgamesh stele.

Said by an unproven, you're back to special pleading. 

You don't believe in prophet yesau, because you don't want to believe in God and same with other 100,000 prophets and vice versa.

God only sends messenger and certified records/decrees....for every civilisation there was one, some we know some we don't, some were changed some haven't. If you use the English translated text from all these books you can find the same tone of speech. Authoritative, Wise, Arrogant, and Kind at the same time. its totally fascinating to find these similarities. 

There is idiomatic test you can test do realise, when in stress, or in life/death situation, humans always remembers God [whatever they call them]  why Go, when you only know by a dictionary meaning, why not your parents, spouses, or police who has to protect you?

And this won't go away. I had a real life experience when I was on a knife point threatened, in Liverpool, fortunately I lived, and I did noticed I only remembered God that time even though I don't usually do normally.

No I haven't actually haven't,  you've just confirmed what I already knew as in you still have zero proof for your god leaving you in the position like believers in all other gods of believing in something on blind faith and nothing else to back it up.
You're yet another victim of cultural brainwashing but haven't the guts to even question why you believe as you're terrified you might have your world view destroyed, you cannot even say why you believe can you ?

You  have believe in people you love, can you give me evidence of that believe? obviously its how they express them to you and you know it and sense it being close to them. Same way God expresses his existence befitting for Him, by nature to provide sustenance with water and all the trees, providing food and oxygen. Even when you are not able to see with the limited world laws and constants, the position of God does not change nor does His Dominion. Science is slow to develop and by the time you find something substantial you might already be in grave, when you have limited capabilities and limited time, does finding substantial prove more prudent or finding indicative prove [clues/signs] more important?

I am not culturally brain washed I actually research, Buddhism, Taoism, Shendao, Hinduism, Sikhism, Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism and Jainism. 

So I obviously know the commonalities between these, and their individual dogmas. 

You asked me, why I believe?, Because I clearly know my beginning , know my current purpose and know my journey and know my final destination after my death. 

While you are stuck in journey without final destination. And that is your prerogative.