What should we do about the despicable liberal response to Hamas unprovoked attack?

Bogan

@Phite

Phite quote   And once again you've ran to your argument from incredulity.

 Ma-a-a-ate, I am pretty good at English comprehension, but I have no idea what this sentence even means?

 

Phite quote   You've done nothing in this thread but express your frustration at not being able to make a reasoned argument for the failure of . . . everything. 

 Initially, I tried to explain to you alternative reasons as to why certain events that you considered suspicious could have occurred.   All the time asking you “where are you going with this?”        I have “debated” with you in good faith and answered your numerous questions, while you have never had the decency to answer any of mine.

 

Phite quote You have to do more than simply proclaim that anyone who asks about that massive failure is evil by reason of inquiry.

 If you wish to be taken seriously on a debate site, the first thing you should do is to declare what it is that you believe and then present a reasoned argument supporting that position.     The “always imply, but when challenged deny” ploy is a recognised dirty debating tactic that any experienced debater can recognise.     I suspected that this was where you were heading when you simply kept asking questions while never revealing what the questions pertained to, nor ever answering any of my questions.     But being a trusting sort of person who does not think ill of another person unless they give me good reason to, I had hoped that you were an honest debater with just an odd debating style.     

 

Phite quote.    But yeah, to me it looks pretty suspicious. 

 Which implies that the Israeli government was complicit in the Massacre of 1400 Israeli men, women, children, and babies.     Which is loony tune stuff.   And when I asked you the obvious question, that if Israel had prior knowledge of the attacks, why didn’t the IDF provide a very warm welcome to those HAMAS bastards that you so admire, and slaughter the whole lot of them when the cowards were out in the open, and away from their human shields?     Naturally, you dodged the question.   Checkmate.

 

Phite quote      If you disagree, offer your reasonable explanation for why it all failed all at once and why no one noticed even though it was linked online to a military base. 

 Well, to begin with, when I presumed that you were an honest debater, I did just that.     But the entire premise is null and void because your line of questioning is based upon a self evident absurdity.

Phite

@Bogan

Phite quote   And once again you've ran to your argument from incredulity.

 Ma-a-a-ate, I am pretty good at English comprehension, but I have no idea what this sentence even means?

If you're good at English comprehension, how is you don't know when you're being told that you're using an "argument from incredulity?"  I told you that you needed to look it up.  

Your argument from incredulity is a fallacy designed to allow you to dismiss the significance of everything that went into the construction of that security barrier.  You've dismissed an expert as a traitor, and then you dismissed the U.N. whose reporters have reported on children being abused in Israeli prisons as racist liars.  You deem all such statements and witnesses to be too incredible to be true because you don't want to believe it.  You did admit to being a racist, and I would suggest that that is what is behind your refusal to believe anyone but Israeli spokespersons.

And now you know where your argument is coming from.  It's coming from your inability/refusal to make an honest assessment of the facts as they've been presented to you.

Phite quote      If you disagree, offer your reasonable explanation for why it all failed all at once and why no one noticed even though it was linked online to a military base. 

 Well, to begin with, when I presumed that you were an honest debater, I did just that.

No.  You used two words: Surprise attack.  Remember?  And I tried to get you to elaborate on that.  But you didn't.  Direct me to your explanation if you can remember where it is.

Maybe this will jog your memory:

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@Phite ;    So, Hamas took out all of the cameras and sensors along the barrier, disabled armed tanks, took out radar, and crashed through the barrier without the command center detecting any of it?

Bogan: No, they knocked down the walls themselves and invited HAMAS in so that they could massacre Jewish men women, children, and babies.     It was all a Jewish plot.

Phite quote   So how did Hamas defeat that barrier undetected?

Bogan: You got me.   And your point is.........?

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Bogan

 @Phite

You still have not answered the crucial question I demanded that you answer.   You are therefore a dishonest debater who has been checkmated, but is so brainwashed he can not even see it.   I am finished with you.   Try your luck on another debate site.

Dee

@Bogan


Another thrashing for Bogend and he flies into his usual fury.

Phite

@Dee

Don't be too quick to judge him.  It's possible he was the victim of a surprise attack here.

MayCaesar

I find it strange to justify horrific actions by alleged victimization of the population. One could look back at what the National-Socialists did in the 30-s and the 40-s and connect it to Germany having been mistreated by the world and, through heavy sanctions, led to the brink of complete collapse in 1929 - they could say that, you see, Germans were just fighting for justice... Yet few people will dare seriously make this argument.

I am curious if the Western societies' reaction to the attack of Hamas and the subsequent Israeli retaliation would have been the same had Hamas represented not Islamic fundamentalism, but, say, Christian fundamentalism. Imagine if Hamas soldiers wore the KKK outfits, chanted "Death to blacks!" instead of "Death to Jews!", and murdered Muslims on the streets of Gaza and not Christians. Something tells me it would have been very different.

I am starting to wonder if many people simply do not know what Islam is. They heard that this is that religion of peace the members of which are often oppressed by Western colonists, and that seems to be all they need to hear to fully condemn anyone who takes any violent action against Islamic societies, be it in retaliation or as an act of aggression. History of over a millennia of Islamic tyranny and conquest, or human right situations in Islamic countries nowadays - they do not seem to care about that at all. One bizarre chant I saw someone make on a demonstration was, "LGBTQ for Palestine!", when in reality Palestine is one of the last places you want to be in if you associate with the LGBTQ movement, and Israel is actually one of the very few countries in the region in which it is not very dangerous to do so. People just have no clue what goes on in those societies.

Dee

@Phite


Yes I forgot that part....... LOL 

Bogan

Dee

@Bogan