Why is the Progressive-Socialist Societal Utopia a disasterous failure?

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; In this life constrained by Time and physics, we're afforded the opportunity to serve our Creator through faith in the Son, Jesus Christ or serve Satan through our rejection of Jesus as our Messiah...there are no other options and there is no neutrality....you're either a servant of Jesus or you're a servant of Satan.  Elohim is your Father or Satan is your Father...if you're an atheist...you serve Satan by default. You're free to choose life or choose death.

Yes, I believe your comrades in islam offer the same 'choice' to children after they've murdered their parents in africa. 

MayCaesar

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; In this life constrained by Time and physics, we're afforded the opportunity to serve our Creator through faith in the Son, Jesus Christ or serve Satan through our rejection of Jesus as our Messiah...there are no other options and there is no neutrality....you're either a servant of Jesus or you're a servant of Satan.  Elohim is your Father or Satan is your Father...if you're an atheist...you serve Satan by default. You're free to choose life or choose death.

Do not project your cowardice onto others. You have to choose who to serve; strong independent human beings serve no one. I am sure the concept is foreign to you though.

Openminded

Argument Topic: You do NOT enter into convenant relationship with our Creator by what you DO but in Whom you believe

@RickeyHoltsclaw

You do NOT enter into covenant relationship with our Creator by what you DO but in Whom you believe (Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; John 3:16-18). New Covenant relationship with our Creator, Jesus Christ, is initiated, established, by faith, alone. Any work or effort or "dirty hands" that follow must be the product of the indwelling Holy Spirit during daily sanctification of the faithful in Jesus (Galatians 5:16). If you desire LIFE, you will "believe" in the Life Giver, Jesus Christ, and subsequently walk by the Holy Spirit producing fruit that honors the Father.

So let me try to understand this. You are basically saying that when seeking salvation that it´s more important to have faith and belief in Jesus Christ rather than proving faith and belief by one´s actions and deeds? This is some F´ed up theory.

I believe having Faith alone in Jesus Christ frankly is lazy minded and an excuse to not do the spiritual work. Much like prayer. Oftentimes the religious claim they´ve done what they could simply by praying. Perhaps this absolves them of future action. While prayer helps the person doing the praying, it does nothing for the person being prayed for. If you actually believe your prayers can change the course of something, you are truly lacking critical thinking skills or have a God Complex. Having faith is like saying ¨I´m going through hard times, but I have faith that you can fix this so I am handing over my problem for you to fix. Now having Hope is grounded in reality, not based on blind faith. Your hope is based in optimism which involves critical thinking skills and further action and deeds. When one hopes for something, it´s understood that hope involves actually needing to do some work to help the problem. It involves action and deeds instead of merely handing it over for someone else to fix.

¨Our hands will not be clean until we get them dirty, until we roll up our sleeves and match our words with deeds.¨
                                                 - Forrest Church, Unitarian Universalist minister

I am beginning to understand why America is in crisis right now.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Openminded ; If you could earn your salvation by what you do, Jesus would not have needed to suffer and die in your place (Galatians 2:21). We enter into covenant relationship with our Creator by faith-belief in Jesus as your Messiah; that is, we believe, with a sincere heart, that Jesus is exactly Who He said He is...that Jesus is Elohim (Genesis 1:1), our God having manifest in Flesh (John 1) and that Jesus took upon Himself our sin by shedding His innocent blood on the Cross at Golgotha outside the gates of the Old City, Jerusalem (1 Peter 1:18-19). It is the blood of Jesus that makes atonement, pays the price, for our sin (Matthew 26:28) and when we place our faith in Jesus as our Messiah, the Father agrees by New Covenant promise to forgive our sin, forever (John 3; Hebrews 8:12).

When we have entered into New Covenant relationship with the Father by faith in Jesus as our Messiah, we are endowed, gifted, given, anointed with, the indwelling Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13-14) and the Spirit begins a good work within us as He daily walks us in obedience to the Father's will for our life; this is called daily "sanctification"...a walking by the Spirit (Galatians 5:16) where the Spirit employs the spiritual law written upon our heart (Romans 2:14-15; Romans 8:2; Hebrews 10:16) and mates that with the redeemed conscience we receive from faith in Messiah (2 Corinthians 5:17) and thereby the Spirit meticulously guides the Christian, daily, in every minute moral decision they make and the Spirit produces divine "fruit" through the faithful in Jesus (Galatians 5:22-23) and this fruit glorifies the Father via obedience (John 15:8).

Finally, some good questions...thank you.

Openminded

Argument Topic: Why is the Progressive-Socialist Societal Utopia a disastrous failure?

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Rickey wrote: Why is the Progressive-Socialist Societal Utopia a disastrous failure?

Human Nature is evil (Genesis 6:5) and this is a major disconnect for the mindless Progressive-Democrat who suggests that a human being is inherently "good" and all that is required for that "good" to manifest in a society is to provide same with Maslow's needs, an environment that meets basic human needs and humanity will flourish like a flower...this is a Marxist-Socialist utopian LIE...a welfare state that is consumed in infidelity, laziness, stupidity, DEI, Affirmative Action, Reverse Discrimination, Hate, Lawlessness.

We see this failed ideology of a "Socialist-Progressive Utopia" on the streets of our larger municipalities today in the United States, the "sanctuary cities" governed by mindless, nitwit, Progressives, and their pandering to these evil, lawless, thug elements, post no bail, reduced or no adjudication, defund the police, open the borders. This is demonic at its root, stupidity in its practice, insanity in its reality. It is the spiritual idiocy of Progressive "do-gooders" who advocate for this false dichotomy of unrestrained human nature and societal utopia...it's disgusting and it's insanity and our most innocent suffer greatly.

Solution?...

The ONLY solution to Progressive Insanity thrust upon American society is either civil war to put the demonic initiatives of Democrats in-check or reopen and fully fund state-run insane asylums and incarcerate 2/3rd's of the Democrats-Progressives in psychiatric treatment; then, fallen America will realize some semblance of a "utopia" that is actually sustainable.


I have no idea why you´re allowed on this site. Your spewing of hate speech is quite alarming especially when one group is being targeted.  This to me is feeling pretty uncomfortable. 
This post was quite caustic and hateful so I decided to run it by ChatGPT3.5 for analysis to rule out my being too sensitive. 

ChatGPT

The passage you provided appears to reflect a strongly conservative and anti-progressive viewpoint, with elements of hyperbole and inflammatory language. It characterizes progressive-socialist ideology as fundamentally flawed, misguided, and even evil. It suggests that progressive beliefs in human goodness and the potential for societal improvement through social welfare programs are naive and dangerous.

The text also condemns what it sees as the failures of progressive policies, particularly in urban areas governed by progressive leaders, and attributes societal problems such as crime, lawlessness, and moral decay to progressive initiatives. It advocates for drastic measures, including civil war or mass institutionalization, as the only solutions to what it perceives as the destructive influence of progressive ideology.

In terms of classification, this passage reflects an extreme conservative viewpoint that strongly opposes progressive and socialist ideas. It employs loaded language, demonization of political opponents, and suggests radical solutions to what it sees as a dire societal problem. This perspective falls within the realm of political extremism, characterized by its uncompromising stance and rejection of opposing ideologies.

Dreamer

@Openminded

Nice post. Rickey is a past troll, most likely Russian.

https://debateisland.com/profile/RickeyD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_farm

The part about blaming the victim via labeling lazy is real bad. Take alcoholism for example:

"Risk factorsStress, anxiety, easy access[4][7]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism

just_sayin

Openminded said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

There are no shortcuts to being a good person, least of all ¨right belief.¨

Socialism doesn't reward risk like capitalisms does, it doesn't reward innovation or hard work like capitalism either.  That's why half of all medical discoveries come from the US.  Actually, its about 80 percent, because even in countries outside the US, medical discoveries by other countries are made with the cooperation of US companies working in those countries.  When you live in a system that doesn't reward your risk, hard work, or innovation, why bother?  Its much easier to do the minimum if your reward is the same no matter what you do.

Socialist countries are also much more likely to violate environmental laws.  In a capitalist country, the government inspects companies and companies are concerned about the issue because it could negatively impact how their customers perceive the company.  In socialist countries, businesses are owned by the government, and while the government may inspect them, governments are notorious for ignoring their own laws if it costs them too much.  Think of how much Russia has polluted its own rivers, lakes, and ocean areas.  The government just isn't very good at holding itself to the same standards that it holds capitalist companies.

Openminded

Argument Topic: Socialism doesn´t reward risk like capitalisms does,

@just_sayin
Socialism doesn't reward risk like capitalisms does, it doesn't reward innovation or hard work like capitalism either.  That's why half of all medical discoveries come from the US.  Actually, its about 80 percent, because even in countries outside the US, medical discoveries by other countries are made with the cooperation of US companies working in those countries.  When you live in a system that doesn't reward your risk, hard work, or innovation, why bother?  Its much easier to do the minimum if your reward is the same no matter what you do.

Socialist countries are also much more likely to violate environmental laws.  In a capitalist country, the government inspects companies and companies are concerned about the issue because it could negatively impact how their customers perceive the company.  In socialist countries, businesses are owned by the government, and while the government may inspect them, governments are notorious for ignoring their own laws if it costs them too much.  Think of how much Russia has polluted its own rivers, lakes, and ocean areas.  The government just isn't very good at holding itself to the same standards that it holds capitalist companies.

Who said America is a socialist country? That´s something extreme conservatives, right wing media and Trump have pushed aggressively to fear monger Americans. Sweet J_E_S_U_S. You actually fell for it, pushed it and now believe your own con. That´s pitiful. America, as far as I know, is still a capitalist country and will remain so. 

just_sayin

Openminded said:

Who said America is a socialist country? That´s something extreme conservatives, right wing media and Trump have pushed aggressively to fear monger Americans. Sweet J_E_S_U_S. You actually fell for it, pushed it and now believe your own con. That´s pitiful. America, as far as I know, is still a capitalist country and will remain so. 

I haven't said America is a socialist country.  

Openminded

Argument Topic: I haven't said America is a socialist country.

@just_sayin

Well you wax on as if it is. You seem to agonize over socialism in many of your posts. I suggest you put the breaks on and come back down to reality. America is, always has been, and will continue to be a Capitalist country.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@RickeyHoltsclaw ; Progressivism is a disastrous failure because Progressivism denies God/Elohim/Jesus Christ as essential to a sustainable and moral society while espousing a secular humanist ideology. 

 

Openminded

Argument Topic: Progressivism is a disastrous failure because Progressivism denies God/Elohim/Jesus Christ as essential to a sustainable and moral society while espousing a secular humanist ideology.

@RickeyHoltsclaw

ChatGPT

The passage you provided appears to reflect a strongly conservative and anti-progressive viewpoint, with elements of hyperbole and inflammatory language. It characterizes progressive-socialist ideology as fundamentally flawed, misguided, and even evil. It suggests that progressive beliefs in human goodness and the potential for societal improvement through social welfare programs are naive and dangerous.

The text also condemns what it sees as the failures of progressive policies, particularly in urban areas governed by progressive leaders, and attributes societal problems such as crime, lawlessness, and moral decay to progressive initiatives. It advocates for drastic measures, including civil war or mass institutionalization, as the only solutions to what it perceives as the destructive influence of progressive ideology.

In terms of classification, this passage reflects an extreme conservative viewpoint that strongly opposes progressive and socialist ideas. It employs loaded language, demonization of political opponents, and suggests radical solutions to what it sees as a dire societal problem. This perspective falls within the realm of political extremism, characterized by its uncompromising stance and rejection of opposing ideologies.

Factfinder

Openminded said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

You do NOT enter into covenant relationship with our Creator by what you DO but in Whom you believe (Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; John 3:16-18). New Covenant relationship with our Creator, Jesus Christ, is initiated, established, by faith, alone. Any work or effort or "dirty hands" that follow must be the product of the indwelling Holy Spirit during daily sanctification of the faithful in Jesus (Galatians 5:16). If you desire LIFE, you will "believe" in the Life Giver, Jesus Christ, and subsequently walk by the Holy Spirit producing fruit that honors the Father.

So let me try to understand this. You are basically saying that when seeking salvation that it´s more important to have faith and belief in Jesus Christ rather than proving faith and belief by one´s actions and deeds? This is some F´ed up theory.

I believe having Faith alone in Jesus Christ frankly is lazy minded and an excuse to not do the spiritual work. Much like prayer. Oftentimes the religious claim they´ve done what they could simply by praying. Perhaps this absolves them of future action. While prayer helps the person doing the praying, it does nothing for the person being prayed for. If you actually believe your prayers can change the course of something, you are truly lacking critical thinking skills or have a God Complex. Having faith is like saying ¨I´m going through hard times, but I have faith that you can fix this so I am handing over my problem for you to fix. Now having Hope is grounded in reality, not based on blind faith. Your hope is based in optimism which involves critical thinking skills and further action and deeds. When one hopes for something, it´s understood that hope involves actually needing to do some work to help the problem. It involves action and deeds instead of merely handing it over for someone else to fix.

¨Our hands will not be clean until we get them dirty, until we roll up our sleeves and match our words with deeds.¨
                                                 - Forrest Church, Unitarian Universalist minister

I am beginning to understand why America is in crisis right now.

When you're right, you're right.

Openminded

Argument Topic: Nice post. Rickey is a past troll, most likely Russian.

@Dreamer

I am naive when it comes to posting on line. I had no idea the extent of these paid-for bots. I don´t understand why Rickey is allowed on here? Do you?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Openminded ;  Simply because you don't know or love Elohim, why should I not be here...your ideology is accepted, why not my Christianity?

RickeyHoltsclaw

Openminded said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

ChatGPT

The passage you provided appears to reflect a strongly conservative and anti-progressive viewpoint, with elements of hyperbole and inflammatory language. It characterizes progressive-socialist ideology as fundamentally flawed, misguided, and even evil. It suggests that progressive beliefs in human goodness and the potential for societal improvement through social welfare programs are naive and dangerous.

The text also condemns what it sees as the failures of progressive policies, particularly in urban areas governed by progressive leaders, and attributes societal problems such as crime, lawlessness, and moral decay to progressive initiatives. It advocates for drastic measures, including civil war or mass institutionalization, as the only solutions to what it perceives as the destructive influence of progressive ideology.

In terms of classification, this passage reflects an extreme conservative viewpoint that strongly opposes progressive and socialist ideas. It employs loaded language, demonization of political opponents, and suggests radical solutions to what it sees as a dire societal problem. This perspective falls within the realm of political extremism, characterized by its uncompromising stance and rejection of opposing ideologies.

@Openmind ;  

1) Progressivism is a demonically rooted ideology that denies what our Creator has said about Human Kind, the sin-nature, the propensity for rebellion and defilement (Genesis 6:5; Romans 5:12; Romans 3:23; Romans 3:10); therefore, Progressivism is naive and suggests meritocracy is racist and bigotry; closed borders are racist and bigotry and xenophobic; quality and effective police work is tyrannical and prisons are inhumane; bail and bonds are are racist; on-and-on....it goes....It's perfectly OK to murder a baby in the womb...it's the woman's body after all; women can become men and men can become women and a man engaging in oral and a-n-a-l intercourse with another man is okay...morality is "relative." Progressivism is of the Devil and only another civil war will put the Democrats back in check and perhaps America can once again pursue sustainable norms, values, ethics. I loathe the Progressive-Democrat-Marxist.

2) Yes, my positioning expresses a H-A-T-E for all things progressive and socialist and liberal and Marxist. America's Constitutional Republic was NOT constructed to function and be sustained by Progressive-Socialist idiocy.

MayCaesar

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Why cannot women become men and men become women in your world view? After all, a corpse can become a living man, a snake can talk like a human, a flood can wipe out all of humanity but one small family, water can become wine, and prayer can grant one life in eternal paradise... Compared to these magics, a human changing a gender is nothing.

The fact that men and women cannot transform into each other is a biological one... But fundamentalist Christians do not accept biology as a valid epistemological framework, so why make an exception here?
As I see it, the "woke" are your spiritual buddies. They are as angry at everyone who does not agree with them on everything as you are, their views are as fantastic and deranged, and they as much want to meld the society into their image.

GiantMan

John_C_87 said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Why is the Progressive-Socialist Societal Utopia a disastrous failure? 
Are you talking about Heaven?

If the government is there and in charge, you are in hell. LOL.

RickeyHoltsclaw

GiantMan said:

John_C_87 said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Why is the Progressive-Socialist Societal Utopia a disastrous failure? 
Are you talking about Heaven?

If the government is there and in charge, you are in hell. LOL.

@GiantMan ; I must admit, your sentiment rings of truth "progressively" beginning with the progressive-socialist i-d-i-ot John Dewey (the father of modern education). America's Constitutional experiment began to falter with Dewey and an overwhelming number of his naive, brainwashed, followers inundate this forum. 

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Why cannot women become men and men become women in your world view? After all, a corpse can become a living man, a snake can talk like a human, a flood can wipe out all of humanity but one small family, water can become wine, and prayer can grant one life in eternal paradise... Compared to these magics, a human changing a gender is nothing.

The fact that men and women cannot transform into each other is a biological one... But fundamentalist Christians do not accept biology as a valid epistemological framework, so why make an exception here?
As I see it, the "woke" are your spiritual buddies. They are as angry at everyone who does not agree with them on everything as you are, their views are as fantastic and deranged, and they as much want to meld the society into their image.

@MayCaesar ;  1) Women cannot become men and men cannot become women because the chromosomes within the DNA are immutable and any attempt to obfuscate this reality is mental and spiritual illness.

2) A family of eight can become billions within a relatively short period of time if you do the math and you have faith.

Excerpt:

Forty-five hundred years ago Noah’s Flood wiped out the entire human population except for eight people: Noah and his wife and Noah’s three sons and their wives. Today’s 7 billion people are Noah’s descendants through 6 people — his sons Japheth, Shem, and Ham and their three wives (Genesis 9:18-19).
(See Tower of Babel – Origin of People Groups for information on the dispersal of Noah’s descendants across the globe.)

Is it possible for Noah’s family to grow to 7 billion in only 4500 years? Yes, easily! Populations grow exponentially, just like money in a savings account. Population growth is compound growth like compound interest.  See: https://biblescienceguy.wordpress.com/2014/05/28/1-population-growth-could-noah-fill-the-earth/

3) Jesus is capable of changing water into wine as water is the basic constituent element of wine...Jesus simply works with what nature provides, naturally...He does not violate the laws that He Himself has ordained.

4) I have found that radical, impenitent, atheists such as yourself have an underlying causation for their hatred of the Scriptures, Jesus, Christians; usually, these radical atheists are homosexual or lesbian or transsexuals or possess an addiction to pedophilia or some form of self-abuse, addiction; perhaps, some form of sexual abuse or death of a loved one... What say you? Why do you hate Jesus and the Bible to such a degree?

 

MayCaesar

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Why do you accept claims in biology when they are related to male/female chromosomes and DNA, but do not accept them when they are related to evolutionary processes? Why cannot human chromosomes change at will, but a dead guy can be resurrected at will?

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Why do you accept claims in biology when they are related to male/female chromosomes and DNA, but do not accept them when they are related to evolutionary processes? Why cannot human chromosomes change at will, but a dead guy can be resurrected at will?

@MayCaesar ;  Biology did not make those claims, the Scriptures do...man only confirms what our omnipotent Creator has completed. Human cells do change...they atrophy but the One who gives LIFE has authority over death.

1) Where does matter find its origin?

2) Where does the complex human genome find its origin?

Openminded

Can someone please tell me why RickeyHoltsclaw is allowed on here? He´s like Trump abusing the judicial system. For crying out loud, he´s  clogging up the lines of communication.

RickeyHoltsclaw

Openminded said:

Can someone please tell me why RickeyHoltsclaw is allowed on here? He´s like Trump abusing the judicial system. For crying out loud, he´s  clogging up the lines of communication.

@Openminded ;  You don't sound very "Openminded" to me...does my faith irritate your demon?

MayCaesar

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

MayCaesar said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Why do you accept claims in biology when they are related to male/female chromosomes and DNA, but do not accept them when they are related to evolutionary processes? Why cannot human chromosomes change at will, but a dead guy can be resurrected at will?

@MayCaesar ;  Biology did not make those claims, the Scriptures do...man only confirms what our omnipotent Creator has completed. Human cells do change...they atrophy but the One who gives LIFE has authority over death.

1) Where does matter find its origin?

2) Where does the complex human genome find its origin?

The Scriptures talked about chromosomes and DNA? Could you please provide a reference?

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

MayCaesar said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Why do you accept claims in biology when they are related to male/female chromosomes and DNA, but do not accept them when they are related to evolutionary processes? Why cannot human chromosomes change at will, but a dead guy can be resurrected at will?

@MayCaesar ;  Biology did not make those claims, the Scriptures do...man only confirms what our omnipotent Creator has completed. Human cells do change...they atrophy but the One who gives LIFE has authority over death.

1) Where does matter find its origin?

2) Where does the complex human genome find its origin?

@RickeyHoltsclaw

 Women cannot become men and men cannot become women because the chromosomes within the DNA are immutable and any attempt to obfuscate this reality is mental and spiritual illness.

You make claims of biology to support your view men and woman can not change sexes. At the same time you would believe if your fairy book told that a guy dead long enough to stink like rotting flesh can be resurrected. Then all of a sudden biology is evil science stuff cause my fairy god mommy book says so. LOL

You never tell us 'Where does matter find its origin'. You just say the ret*rd in the sky did it. Goddess of the gaps don't fly. 

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

MayCaesar said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Why do you accept claims in biology when they are related to male/female chromosomes and DNA, but do not accept them when they are related to evolutionary processes? Why cannot human chromosomes change at will, but a dead guy can be resurrected at will?

@MayCaesar ;  Biology did not make those claims, the Scriptures do...man only confirms what our omnipotent Creator has completed. Human cells do change...they atrophy but the One who gives LIFE has authority over death.

1) Where does matter find its origin?

2) Where does the complex human genome find its origin?

@RickeyHoltsclaw

 Women cannot become men and men cannot become women because the chromosomes within the DNA are immutable and any attempt to obfuscate this reality is mental and spiritual illness.

You make claims of biology to support your view men and woman can not change sexes. At the same time you would believe if your fairy book told that a guy dead long enough to stink like rotting flesh can be resurrected. Then all of a sudden biology is evil science stuff cause my fairy god mommy book says so. LOL

You never tell us 'Where does matter find its origin'. You just say the ret*rd in the sky did it. Goddess of the gaps don't fly. 

1) Chromosomes were reality long before science documented them.

2) My Creator who creates flesh can restore and renew and refresh as He pleases...His is omnipotent.

3) Matter finds its origin in the unseen Spiritual Realm as the Father instructed the Son, Jesus Christ (John 3:35), to take elements from the unseen Spiritual Realm and fashion those elements into matter that can be apprehended by a life form constrained by Time and physics; therefore, all we see and interpret with our senses finds its origin in the unseen, eternal, Spiritual Realm; therefore, mankind will NEVER define the origin of matter.

4) Thank you for the questions...refreshing.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

4) Thank you for the questions...refreshing.

What questions? Can you follow a conversation?

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

4) Thank you for the questions...refreshing.

What questions? Can you follow a conversation?

You said: "You never tell us 'Where does matter find its origin'."

You wanted a response...that's interpreted as a "question." Is your demon irritated?

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge;
    fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 1:7 (ESV)

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

4) Thank you for the questions...refreshing.

What questions? Can you follow a conversation?

You said: "You never tell us 'Where does matter find its origin'."

You wanted a response...that's interpreted as a "question." Is your demon irritated?

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge;
    fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 1:7 (ESV)

That's not a question. That was a highlight of your idiocy. 

Openminded

Argument Topic: @Factfind

@Factfinder

I have a serious question for you. Why are you engaging with Rickey?

Factfinder

Openminded said:

@Factfinder

I have a serious question for you. Why are you engaging with Rickey?

That is a good question. Deserve a good answer. But I don't have one. Bored I guess.

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

Openminded said:

@Factfinder

I have a serious question for you. Why are you engaging with Rickey?

That is a good question. Deserve a good answer. But I don't have one. Bored I guess.

@Openminded ;  Because I torment the demon within you...and for some masochistic reason, your demons love the torment.

MayCaesar

It is curious how he thinks that quotes from an old fantasy book constitute an argument...

RickeyHoltsclaw

@MayCaesar ;

MayCaesar said:

It is curious how he thinks that quotes from an old fantasy book constitute an argument...

@MayCaesar ;  that "old fantasy book" will judge you soon and you will remember these interactions...they will be brought forth and you will tremble and weep and cry and it will be too late because in your arrogance and foolishness you rejected Jesus our Messiah who died to pay your sin-debt owed the Father and you assumed that debt yourself and you will pay that debt in full.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@MayCaesar ;

MayCaesar said:

It is curious how he thinks that quotes from an old fantasy book constitute an argument...

@MayCaesar ;  that "old fantasy book" will judge you soon and you will remember these interactions...they will be brought forth and you will tremble and weep and cry and it will be too late because in your arrogance and foolishness you rejected Jesus our Messiah who died to pay your sin-debt owed the Father and you assumed that debt yourself and you will pay that debt in full.

Yup, freewill alright. Worship me and let me make you as idiotic as my followers. You must go make tools of yourself like that bad (evil) cop in houston. And if your mindless rambling that program you with causes the least of my little ones to leave, it will be better for you if a mill stone be put around your neck and thrown in the sea. So even if you do worship me, I'll find a way to cause you weeping and gnashing of teeth. This I your fairy god unisex in the sky I decree: I create evil so I can torture for good Bwha,ha,ha,ha... Worship me or else...

“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. Mark 9-42

Openminded

Argument Topic: @Openminded ; Because I torment the demon within you...and for some masochistic reason, your demons love the torment.

@RickeyHoltsclaw

On the contrary, it seems the demons and tormentors inside YOU need to be released. So you recklessly project them onto others. Itś annoying and ugly.

MayCaesar

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@MayCaesar ;  that "old fantasy book" will judge you soon and you will remember these interactions...they will be brought forth and you will tremble and weep and cry and it will be too late because in your arrogance and foolishness you rejected Jesus our Messiah who died to pay your sin-debt owed the Father and you assumed that debt yourself and you will pay that debt in full.

The book will judge me? Please clarify a little how it works.

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@MayCaesar ;

MayCaesar said:

It is curious how he thinks that quotes from an old fantasy book constitute an argument...

@MayCaesar ;  that "old fantasy book" will judge you soon and you will remember these interactions...they will be brought forth and you will tremble and weep and cry and it will be too late because in your arrogance and foolishness you rejected Jesus our Messiah who died to pay your sin-debt owed the Father and you assumed that debt yourself and you will pay that debt in full.

Yup, freewill alright. Worship me and let me make you as idiotic as my followers. You must go make tools of yourself like that bad (evil) cop in houston. And if your mindless rambling that program you with causes the least of my little ones to leave, it will be better for you if a mill stone be put around your neck and thrown in the sea. So even if you do worship me, I'll find a way to cause you weeping and gnashing of teeth. This I your fairy god unisex in the sky I decree: I create evil so I can torture for good Bwha,ha,ha,ha... Worship me or else...

“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. Mark 9-42

@Factfinder ;  

1) Yup...free will reigns supreme as you and @MayCaesar possess the free will to choose life in Jesus who gave His life that you could live or you can continue choosing to reject Messiah's gift of life through faith in Him as your Messiah and perish in the "second death" in Hell in your default servitude to Satan (John 3:16-18).

2) Athests are NOT innocent children and Mark 9 has NOTHING to do with the vile atheist...they have made the affirmative decision to reject our Creator and war against Him with blasphemy and wilful violations of His law...Atheists are horrible people and a malignancy to any society seeking sustainable norms, mores, values. Nice try atheist. 

3) Is it a sexual "hangup" in your personal life that keeps you from repentance and faith in Jesus; if so, you can be forgiven and restored through repentance and faith in Jesus as your Messiah (John 3)? Jesus stands ready to provide you forgiveness, restoration, peace, eternally...trust Him. 

 

 

RickeyHoltsclaw

Openminded said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

On the contrary, it seems the demons and tormentors inside YOU need to be released. So you recklessly project them onto others. Itś annoying and ugly.

@Openminded ;  The Holy Spirit resides within me as a promise and Guarantor of New Covenant relationship with the Father via faith in Jesus as my Messiah. I'm simply returning what I receive; difference being, I speak truth and you speak from your father, the Devil (John 8:44).

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Openminded said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

On the contrary, it seems the demons and tormentors inside YOU need to be released. So you recklessly project them onto others. Itś annoying and ugly.

@Openminded ;  The Holy Spirit resides within me as a promise and Guarantor of New Covenant relationship with the Father via faith in Jesus as my Messiah. I'm simply returning what I receive; difference being, I speak truth and you speak from your father, the Devil (John 8:44).

That what she said, the demons inside you.

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

That what she said, the demons inside you.

@Factfinder ;  Your demon is irritated...that is understandable....

MayCaesar

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ;  

1) Yup...free will reigns supreme as you and @MayCaesar possess the free will to choose life in Jesus who gave His life that you could live or you can continue choosing to reject Messiah's gift of life through faith in Him as your Messiah and perish in the "second death" in Hell in your default servitude to Satan (John 3:16-18).

2) Athests are NOT innocent children and Mark 9 has NOTHING to do with the vile atheist...they have made the affirmative decision to reject our Creator and war against Him with blasphemy and wilful violations of His law...Atheists are horrible people and a malignancy to any society seeking sustainable norms, mores, values. Nice try atheist. 

3) Is it a sexual "hangup" in your personal life that keeps you from repentance and faith in Jesus; if so, you can be forgiven and restored through repentance and faith in Jesus as your Messiah (John 3)? Jesus stands ready to provide you forgiveness, restoration, peace, eternally...trust Him. 

I think this is the essence of the difference between self-fulfilled people, and insecure people requiring external validation. I do not go around prattling about how everyone who does not agree with my cosmological views is a "horrible person" and "malignancy": people should live their life as they believe is right. You believe in fairies, or gods, or spirits? Cool!

But weak, insecure, hesitant people need to aggressively push their views, trying to get at other people not through logical reasoning, but through the lowliest forms of persuasion such as intimidation and bullying.

I do not think that you are a "malignancy" for not believing in what I believe. I would never call a human being a "malignancy". I think I just have a bit more respect for humans than someone this bitter and misanthropic...

As far as religious preachers go, you are one of the most off-putting ones out there. No matter what you think you are doing, the end result is that a LOT of people will turn away further from religion after hearing you out. And what is your lord going to think about you walking around and telling everyone that they suck? Something to think about.

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ;  

1) Yup...free will reigns supreme as you and @MayCaesar possess the free will to choose life in Jesus who gave His life that you could live or you can continue choosing to reject Messiah's gift of life through faith in Him as your Messiah and perish in the "second death" in Hell in your default servitude to Satan (John 3:16-18).

2) Athests are NOT innocent children and Mark 9 has NOTHING to do with the vile atheist...they have made the affirmative decision to reject our Creator and war against Him with blasphemy and wilful violations of His law...Atheists are horrible people and a malignancy to any society seeking sustainable norms, mores, values. Nice try atheist. 

3) Is it a sexual "hangup" in your personal life that keeps you from repentance and faith in Jesus; if so, you can be forgiven and restored through repentance and faith in Jesus as your Messiah (John 3)? Jesus stands ready to provide you forgiveness, restoration, peace, eternally...trust Him. 

I think this is the essence of the difference between self-fulfilled people, and insecure people requiring external validation. I do not go around prattling about how everyone who does not agree with my cosmological views is a "horrible person" and "malignancy": people should live their life as they believe is right. You believe in fairies, or gods, or spirits? Cool!

But weak, insecure, hesitant people need to aggressively push their views, trying to get at other people not through logical reasoning, but through the lowliest forms of persuasion such as intimidation and bullying.

I do not think that you are a "malignancy" for not believing in what I believe. I would never call a human being a "malignancy". I think I just have a bit more respect for humans than someone this bitter and misanthropic...

As far as religious preachers go, you are one of the most off-putting ones out there. No matter what you think you are doing, the end result is that a LOT of people will turn away further from religion after hearing you out. And what is your lord going to think about you walking around and telling everyone that they suck? Something to think about.

@MayCaesar ;  

1) You have no ideological view...you're an atheist...your religion is nihilism...a protoplasmic bump in Time by free will choice. 

2) Christians don't "push their views," they simply tell you the atheist the truth about Jesus as the only Way to life in eternity; this, through the forgiveness of sin by faith (Acts 4:12).

3) I believe atheism is a metastasizing malignancy in the United States...they do NOT belong here as their servitude to Satan is unsustainable. 

4) My words only "put off" those whose demons are in custody of their soul and spirit and become irritated at the Gospel truth. 

5) I don't tell "everyone that they suck?"   --  just the demons.

I see the way you atheists treat @JustSayin....you have no excuse

 

MayCaesar

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Well, the way I see it, when it comes to one's influence on the world, it can be either destructive or constructive. You can criticize - or you can empower. You can destroy - or you can create. You can hate - or you can love. You can kill - or you can birth. You can cause people to frown - or you can cause people to smile. You can complain about problems - or you can develop solutions. You can feel sorry about the past - or you can look excitedly into the future.

Which of the two types of influences do you think your behavior brings? Does your bitter preaching cause people to smile, or to stay away from you like a leper? You do not have to answer to me (I know the answer very well, and you spending so much time here writing angry comments indicates it clearly), just reflect on your life by yourself.

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Well, the way I see it, when it comes to one's influence on the world, it can be either destructive or constructive. You can criticize - or you can empower. You can destroy - or you can create. You can hate - or you can love. You can kill - or you can birth. You can cause people to frown - or you can cause people to smile. You can complain about problems - or you can develop solutions. You can feel sorry about the past - or you can look excitedly into the future.

Which of the two types of influences do you think your behavior brings? Does your bitter preaching cause people to smile, or to stay away from you like a leper? You do not have to answer to me (I know the answer very well, and you spending so much time here writing angry comments indicates it clearly), just reflect on your life by yourself.

@MayCaesar ;

1) Your impact on the World is contingent upon your relationship with your Creator by faith. It is the wise who trust in what our Creator has said and follow Him in obedience that engender lasting positive influence on a perishing World.

2) My positioning in this particular forum is one of Truth with little care for your feelings or your emotions...you and yours in this forum treat the faithful, the believer, with contempt and ha-te...you deserve He-ll for your disrespect and blasphemy. You don't make an attempt to be respectful to my Lord. I could care less about your insults directed at me and my faith but your insults to others of the faith and especially my Lord...I will respond in like manner...I DO NOT LIKE YOU...that dislike stems from our discourse in my previous appearances in this atheistic inundated forum. 

If you desire a polite and reciprocal in-kind debate...when you're on a "religious" debate forum...titled "religion"...inquire about religion, rebut religion and don't attack the faith of someone simply because you're a god-less, narcis-sistic, atheist. If you can't take it...don't bring it. I'm NOT your pacifist Christian victim.

MayCaesar

@RickeyHoltsclaw

What insults? As I said earlier, if you believe in these things - cool. I do not oppose your beliefs - you oppose mine. I do not expect you to respect my beliefs, but you believe that I deserve hell for not respecting yours.

I think you are seeing in others the reflection of yourself much more than you see them for who they are. So much bitterness, so much resentment... I am not familiar with any branch of Christianity that promotes this kind of approach. For all the faults of the religion, its proponents, at least, claim to be guided by love and compassion, not by hatred and zeal.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@MayCaesar

1) What insults...go back and look....you insult the Bible, you insult my Lord, you insult me..you insult those of faith...what do you mean, what insults?

2) That's your problem...you don't "think"...you blindly defend your atheism void wisdom and discernment.

If you desire a legitimate debate...be kind, respectful...I will reciprocate. 

MayCaesar

@RickeyHoltsclaw

What have I said in the past few comments that was disrespectful? You keep telling me how horrible of a human being I am without knowing anything about my life and deeds, based solely on the fact of me not sharing your cosmological premises.

Imagine if atheists treated you the same. If, every time you talked about god, they said that you deserve to be tortured for eternity, that you are a horrible disgusting demonic creature for reading the Bible. And then, upon your objection, called you disrespectful. Sounds familiar, does it not?

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

What have I said in the past few comments that was disrespectful? You keep telling me how horrible of a human being I am without knowing anything about my life and deeds, based solely on the fact of me not sharing your cosmological premises.

Imagine if atheists treated you the same. If, every time you talked about god, they said that you deserve to be tortured for eternity, that you are a horrible disgusting demonic creature for reading the Bible. And then, upon your objection, called you disrespectful. Sounds familiar, does it not?

@MayCaesar ;  You have a history of narcissistic self-endowed intellectual arrogance...you know that. You atheist do treat the faithful like a dog...that's the POINT! I DON'T LIKE YOU.