If you believed God asked you to kill someone would you do it?

Factfinder

Barnardot said:

@Factfinder @21CenturyIconoclast ;Byzantine views as an atheist though!!!
Well maybe he does take that drug and Ive heard that its pretty wicked. But you raised a good point there. I have suspected for a long time that not only do most people who call them selves religious not even believe in God but most of the people who do say they believe in God and spout there mouths off about it are really atheists and use religion to control others since there no more than control freaks who got beaten up by there dads and didnt get there moms breast milk. All the others who say theres a God and are not control freak atheists all live in special places where they get given controlled doses of Byzantine every day.

Can't argue with that.

RickeyHoltsclaw

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR QUOTE RELATIVE TO JESUS SAYING THAT ANY OFFSPRING THAT CURSE THEIR PARENTS IS TO BE MURDERED!!!: “He accused them of violating God’s commandment. And at the same time, He also brilliantly dismissed their charge by functionally saying that your tradition is used as an excuse to transgress God’s word.” https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176098/#Comment_176098

YES! The Pharisees did VIOLATE Gods word that Jesus was referring to in the following passage: “Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.” (Leviticus 20:9)

Therefore, God’s word, which is Jesus’ word as God, still says that a parents offspring that curse them are to be put to death, and their blood shall be upon them! Thank you for giving credence to this Bible FACT, therefore, have you had to MURDER any of your offspring that cursed you?

YOUR SHORT ANSWER IS:

YOUR FINAL QUOTE TO YOUR “WAR AND PEACE” DISSERTATION THAT WAS NEEDLESS TO SAY THE LEAST, RELATIVE TO MURDERING A WIFE THAT WAS NOT A VIRGIN AT MARRIAGE: “God’s desire is for justice, mercy, and faith (Matthew 23:23)”

YES, Jesus in being God, desired JUSTICE to be followed in MURDERING a wife that is not a virgin upon her wedding night! We thank you for admitting to this JUSTICE in your once again “War and Peace Apologetic Book Dissertation!"

“But if the thing is true, and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel, to play the harlot in her father’s house. So you shall put away the evil from among you.” (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)

An image of Christianity's disgusting MORAL BIBLICAL VALUES that the pseudo-christian has to follow in the 21st Century relative to the revealing murdering Bible passage of Deuteronomy 22:13-21!!! https://www.imagebam.com/view/MESAVLS
YOUR SHORT ANSWER IS:

JESUS AS GOD IN BEING AN OUTRIGHT ABORTIONIST IN HOSEA 9:11-16!!!!

With all of your BIBLE BABBLE “War and Peace” dissertation AGAIN from your Satanic “Apologetic Books,” relative to Hosea 9:11-16, THE FACT REMAINS THAT JESUS AS GOD ABORTED the offspring of the women of Ephraim in the passage below, AND, SLAUGHTERED their beloved children if they gave birth to them, period!

“The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for their children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered oh Lord. what should I request for your people? I will ask for the wombs that don’t give birth and breast that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. AND IF THEY GIVE BIRTH, I WILL SLAUGHTER THEIR BELOVED CHILDREN (Hosea 9:11-16)
YOUR SHORT ANSWER IS:

OKAY, HEADS UP!!! Who wants to join Christianity where their God JESUS promoted the MURDERING of a parents offspring that curse them, AND, where Jesus' inspired words state that if a wife is not a virgin upon their wedding night, they are to be MURDERED, AND, where Jesus as God was an outfight ABORTIONIST where he would SLAUGHTER any baby that was born as shown in the Hosea passage?
ANYONE? COME ON, DON'T BE "SICKENED" BY BIBLE FACTS SHOWN ABOVE, JOIN THE CHRISTIAN FAITH ANYWAY! LOL!!!

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@21CenturyIconoclast ; Until you can actually put forth a premise or rebuttal or argument in some form or fashion that models at least a modicum of sanity...don't bother me...I'm tired of your insults and blasphemy.

JurisJames

Argument Topic: What is Morality?

@ZeusAres42 Not really sure where to put this argument.
I am an atheist and do not believe in God.

Anyway,
I think the issue here is that nobody can agree on the definition of "morality."
The religious standpoint is that morality comes from a position of authority.
Most non-religious people would disagree.

Authority is the opposite of Morality in my opinion.
Authority is doing something because of being commanded from a position of power and strength greater than you.
Morality is doing something despite authority, because of the effects it will have. This directly opposes authority. Indeed often, the moral thing to do is to oppose those in greater positions than you. For example, the tyrants that Christians love pointing out did not believe in their God. But in pointing these things out they are not proving that a lack of God means immorality. That's not the correct logical takeaway or deduction from that. The correct conclusion is that God practices the same form of totalitarian authority that Christians submit to as Tyrants.

So what is morality?
Well, from simply observing it in action, Morality in practice seems to be doing something that benefits individual people and therefore society as a whole whether right away or in the long run.
This has nothing to do with authority.
You can accomplish this with or without a higher power.

To me, that proves a flaw in the logic of Christianity. It proves brainwash.

JurisJames

@RickeyHoltsclaw For one thing communism and socialism are not religious positions and can occur under any religion.

More importantly, this is just a deflection from the point:

At some point you have to admit that morality doesn't come from authority.
Otherwise, these tyrants you are referencing did nothing wrong.
They are just doing the same thing your God does: exerting higher power and authority than those below them.

RickeyHoltsclaw

JurisJames said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw For one thing communism and socialism are not religious positions and can occur under any religion.

More importantly, this is just a deflection from the point:

At some point you have to admit that morality doesn't come from authority.
Otherwise, these tyrants you are referencing did nothing wrong.
They are just doing the same thing your God does: exerting higher power and authority than those below them.

@JurisJames ; @ZeusAres42 ; @MayCaesar ; @Factfinder Marxism is a religion which is the foundation for both communism and socialism as atheism is their root and atheism is a religion of the demonic...a worldview of the fool (Psalm 14:1).

Morality finds its genesis in our moral, ethical, holy, righteous, Creator, Elohim, as He has written His eternal Spiritual Law upon the human heart (Romans 2:14-15; Hebrews 10:16), infused same within the human genome on Day-6 as Elohim created human kind in His spiritual image possessing certain divine communicable attributes; this, for His eschatological purposes going forward; specifically, as a bulwark against unrestrained narcissism that would have inevitably culminated in societal implosion (Genesis 1:26-28).

The Spiritual Law has been extant as an arbiter of free will subsequent the creation of the angels and that Law will remain extant throughout Eternity as free will remains extant by necessity; this, concerning love and intimacy and relationship with our Creator (John 3:16). The Spiritual Law will also be employed by Jesus Christ at your "Judgment of the Condemned" (Rev 20:11-15) and that Spiritual Law will adjudicate you "guilty" where you will lose both body and soul in Hell in the "second death" as you have rejected Jesus as your Messiah and atonement for your sin (John 3; Acts 4:12).

Elohim does not act in a tyrannical way...He responds with justice and appropriate judgement; after all, this is HIS creation. It is your spiritual father, Satan (John 8:44), that is causation for tyranny and suffering and death and you will perish in Hell in a fate similar to his in that Day (Rev 20:10). Elohim has a specific reason and cause for having created the Realm of Time and physics...this is beyond you or your judgement...you're but a vapor, a breath in Time (James 4:14) and your spiritual positioning makes you rather irrelevant as well as the only purpose you have in the Realm of Time is servitude to Jesus as His ally but you have chosen to be His foe and you will therefore reap what you sow (Galatians 6:7-8). You have been told.

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR RUN AWAY LAME "LITTLE BOY EXCUSE" TOWARDS MY POST TO YOU IN MAKING YOU THE BIBLE FOOL THAT YOU ARE: "Until you can actually put forth a premise or rebuttal or argument in some form or fashion that models at least a modicum of sanity...don't bother me...I'm tired of your insults and blasphemy."
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176290/#Comment_176290

I don't let your INSULTS towards me and your outright BIBLE modus operandi, and you not following your Gods word affect me, therefore are you that much of a WUSSY PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN in not being able to defend your faith? Is that it BIBLE FOOL?

In YOU not defending your primitive sickening faith of Christianity, YOU ARE GOING DIRECTLY AGAINST YOUR JESUS AS GOD'S WORD as shown below!!!

"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)

NOW, DEFEND YOUR FAITH IN MY POST TO YOU HEREWITH: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176290/#Comment_176290

RICKEY, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE THE "BIBLE VERSE RUNAWAY" FACTFINDER DO YOU, NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO!

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

HAS ANYONE SEEN "RICKEYHOLTSCLAW" QUIVERING AND HIDING IN OTHER FORUMS BECAUSE HE HAS TO RUN AWAY FROM HIS PRIMITIVE BRONZE AND IRON AGE CHRISTIAN FAITH IN THE POST ABOVE, OR IN THE FOLLOWING LINK?: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176323/#Comment_176323

If you see him, tell him that "rational thinking in the 21st century" and I are NOT done with his outright Bible FOOLISHNESS where none other than Jesus tells him to DEFEND CHRISTIANITY, but poor RICKEY has to hide from it! (Titus 1:9)! LOL!

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GnosticChristian

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
21CenturyIconoclast said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

HAS ANYONE READ

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.

RickeyHoltsclaw

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

HAS ANYONE SEEN "RICKEYHOLTSCLAW" QUIVERING AND HIDING IN OTHER FORUMS BECAUSE HE HAS TO RUN AWAY FROM HIS PRIMITIVE BRONZE AND IRON AGE CHRISTIAN FAITH IN THE POST ABOVE, OR IN THE FOLLOWING LINK?: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176323/#Comment_176323

If you see him, tell him that "rational thinking in the 21st century" and I are NOT done with his outright Bible FOOLISHNESS where none other than Jesus tells him to DEFEND CHRISTIANITY, but poor RICKEY has to hide from it! (Titus 1:9)! LOL!

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@GnosticChristian ; @Factfinder ; @ZeusAres ; @21CenturyIconoclast

A lot of boasting and pride coming from one headed to death in Hell. If you add @rickeyholtsclaw in your rebuttal or premise, I'll do my best to get back with you; otherwise, I'm not notified of your intent or your atheistic irrelevance if you simply quote me...as your comment appears a one among many irrelevant atheistic drivel in this forum. Please try harder?

ZeusAres42

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

HAS ANYONE SEEN "RICKEYHOLTSCLAW" QUIVERING AND HIDING IN OTHER FORUMS BECAUSE HE HAS TO RUN AWAY FROM HIS PRIMITIVE BRONZE AND IRON AGE CHRISTIAN FAITH IN THE POST ABOVE, OR IN THE FOLLOWING LINK?: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176323/#Comment_176323

If you see him, tell him that "rational thinking in the 21st century" and I are NOT done with his outright Bible FOOLISHNESS where none other than Jesus tells him to DEFEND CHRISTIANITY, but poor RICKEY has to hide from it! (Titus 1:9)! LOL!

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@GnosticChristian ; @Factfinder ; @ZeusAres ; @21CenturyIconoclast

A lot of boasting and pride coming from one headed to death in Hell. If you add @rickeyholtsclaw in your rebuttal or premise, I'll do my best to get back with you; otherwise, I'm not notified of your intent or your atheistic irrelevance if you simply quote me...as your comment appears a one among many irrelevant atheistic drivel in this forum. Please try harder?

Nobody Cares Nobody Gives A Fck GIF - Nobody Cares Nobody Gives A Fck GIFs

MayCaesar

Imagine this: we all die and find ourselves in the waiting room to the interview with a beautiful demoness who welcomes us to the Afterlife. The demoness walks into the room, looks around and says, "Well-well, we have an interesting batch this time around. I will make it easy for you guys: anyone who entertains me will have an interesting job here in the Afterlife. Let us start with you."

The first guy tells her a funny joke. She laughs: "I have heard this one before, but it is a good one. You can do stand up comedy!"

The second girl does a cool dance. Demoness smiles: "Awesome, you have some slick moves. We have a Succubus-Pop dance group; I will write you a recommendation letter!"

The third guy asks her a difficult math puzzle. After thinking for a few minutes, the demoness gives up. Hearing out the solution, she cocks her head: "Wow, we do not often get such brains around here. Would you care to do math research?"

The fourth guy is Rickey. He starts citing the Bible verses to her. She rolls her eyes and yawns: "And, of course, we always get one of those, the preachers. Eh, our economy is meritocratic, we really do not have anything for you. You will have to try your luck in the Beggars' Quarter: that is where all of your fellows go. Sorry."

ZeusAres42

@MayCaesar

When I die I will know I am in hell when I am confronted with tons of religious bullsh!t every second.

MayCaesar

@ZeusAres42

I get the sentiment, although it seems to me that Hell is where all the fun people will be. As someone put it, "Hell is where the party's at". Heaven though would be a pretty depressing place...

RickeyHoltsclaw

@ZeusAres42 ; I do...I care. You need Jesus.

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RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

@ZeusAres42

I get the sentiment, although it seems to me that Hell is where all the fun people will be. As someone put it, "Hell is where the party's at". Heaven though would be a pretty depressing place...

@ZeusAres42 ; @MayCaesar ; there will be no "fun" people in Hell...there is only suffering and death in Hell.

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Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

there will be no "fun" people in Hell...there is only suffering and death in Hell.

An evil your god created. All because it gets b*utt hurt if its creation don't mindlessly worship and feed it's self centered narcissistic love of self.

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

there will be no "fun" people in Hell...there is only suffering and death in Hell.

An evil your god created. All because it gets b*utt hurt if its creation don't mindlessly worship and feed it's self centered narcissistic love of self.

@Factfinder ; No, it is your god that creates evil.

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MayCaesar

@RickeyHoltsclaw

"Hell" is a funny story to scare little children with. Some people just have never graduated from being children.

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

"Hell" is a funny story to scare little children with. Some people just have never graduated from being children.

@MayCaesar ; It won't be funny the moment you exhale your last.

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Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

No, it is your god that creates evil.

I have no god. I use the brain nature gave me instead and stick to reality. But this is about your god. I know you can't conceive of god ordering you to kill people, but your book tells a different story as I have educated you earlier. But imagine it did and told you via the holy spirit, you would in a heart beat because your god is all good and would not lead you wrong, right?

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

No, it is your god that creates evil.

I have no god. I use the brain nature gave me instead and stick to reality. But this is about your god. I know you can't conceive of god ordering you to kill people, but your book tells a different story as I have educated you earlier. But imagine it did and told you via the holy spirit, you would in a heart beat because your god is all good and would not lead you wrong, right?

@Factfinder ; @MayCaesar ; @ZeusAres42

Yes, you do have a god (John 8:44) whether or not you acknowledge him...he is your spiritual daddy and you will die a death in Hell similar to his due your rejection of Jesus as Messiah (Rev 20:10-15).

The Theocracy of Israel under the Law Covenant and Elohim's efforts to ensure the fruition of His eschatological plan concerning Messiah is NOT relevant to the New Covenant as Messiah has come (Romans 6:14; 2 Corinthians 3).

The Holy Spirit is God-Elohim...He does not lead in the way of unrighteousness...that is the purview of your god and daddy, Satan. It's just a matter of time...your day is approaching. I have told you beforehand.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

No, it is your god that creates evil.

I have no god. I use the brain nature gave me instead and stick to reality. But this is about your god. I know you can't conceive of god ordering you to kill people, but your book tells a different story as I have educated you earlier. But imagine it did and told you via the holy spirit, you would in a heart beat because your god is all good and would not lead you wrong, right?

@Factfinder ; @MayCaesar ; @ZeusAres42

Yes, you do have a god (John 8:44) whether or not you acknowledge him...he is your spiritual daddy and you will die a death in Hell similar to his due your rejection of Jesus as Messiah (Rev 20:10-15).

The Theocracy of Israel under the Law Covenant and Elohim's efforts to ensure the fruition of His eschatological plan concerning Messiah is NOT relevant to the New Covenant as Messiah has come (Romans 6:14; 2 Corinthians 3).

The Holy Spirit is God-Elohim...He does not lead in the way of unrighteousness...that is the purview of your god and daddy, Satan. It's just a matter of time...your day is approaching. I have told you beforehand.

So if your fairy elf god to you to kill you would, right? Disobey and go to fairy land hell you know.

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

No, it is your god that creates evil.

I have no god. I use the brain nature gave me instead and stick to reality. But this is about your god. I know you can't conceive of god ordering you to kill people, but your book tells a different story as I have educated you earlier. But imagine it did and told you via the holy spirit, you would in a heart beat because your god is all good and would not lead you wrong, right?

@Factfinder ; @MayCaesar ; @ZeusAres42

Yes, you do have a god (John 8:44) whether or not you acknowledge him...he is your spiritual daddy and you will die a death in Hell similar to his due your rejection of Jesus as Messiah (Rev 20:10-15).

The Theocracy of Israel under the Law Covenant and Elohim's efforts to ensure the fruition of His eschatological plan concerning Messiah is NOT relevant to the New Covenant as Messiah has come (Romans 6:14; 2 Corinthians 3).

The Holy Spirit is God-Elohim...He does not lead in the way of unrighteousness...that is the purview of your god and daddy, Satan. It's just a matter of time...your day is approaching. I have told you beforehand.

So if your fairy elf god to you to kill you would, right? Disobey and go to fairy land hell you know.

@Factfinder ; @MayCaesar ; @ZeusAres42

My Lord would never command that I violate His moral law...that's the work of your god, Satan.

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Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

But just like your admitted to the abuse of minorities while frightfully hiding behind your badge, you would kill for it, right? Your book says you should without question, every man woman and child. You would obey your book without question, right? After all, they're just atheist ,queers and liberals. Come on, admit you would.

1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly adestroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and .

MayCaesar

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@MayCaesar ; It won't be funny the moment you exhale your last.

Please. Adults stopped affecting me with this kind of talk when I was around 4: I knew well that Domovoys did not exist by then.

Some of us age slower mentally, and it takes them over 66 years to grow out of scary stories for children. I trust that you will get there eventually, Rickey.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Once again, ad nauseam...the work of Elohim during the Adamic-Noahic generations and subsequently, Israel's Law Covenant as Israel journeyed to the Promised Land and fought-off intense pagan tribes seeking Israel's compromise with pagan gods such as Baal and Molech are not relevant in the New Covenant as Elohim's eschatological imperatives concerning Messiah's foreordained mission "to destroy the works of the Devil" (Genesis 3:15; 1 John 3:8b) came to fruition/fulfillment at Golgotha...as a Christian, I am not under the Law Covenant... Why is this truism so difficult for you to comprehend? 2 Corinthians 4:4?

RickeyHoltsclaw

MayCaesar said:

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@MayCaesar ; It won't be funny the moment you exhale your last.

Please. Adults stopped affecting me with this kind of talk when I was around 4: I knew well that Domovoys did not exist by then.

Some of us age slower mentally, and it takes them over 66 years to grow out of scary stories for children. I trust that you will get there eventually, Rickey.

@MayCaesar ; Your input is so very important to me; therefore, please include @rickeyholtsclaw in your rebuttal and sarcasm addressed to me so that I'm sure to receive the notification.

Your narcissism and arrogance and rebellion since 4YOA will not be an affirmative defense to your adjudication in Hell due your rejection of Jesus as Messiah...not impressed.

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MayCaesar

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Well, what would you say to someone who told you that you are going to be eaten alive if you let a stranger into your house because the book "The Three Little Pigs" says so? I do not think it is arrogance to point out childish fantasies: that is what any responsible parent will do to their child.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; Once again, ad nauseam...the work of Elohim during the Adamic-Noahic generations and subsequently, Israel's Law Covenant as Israel journeyed to the Promised Land and fought-off intense pagan tribes seeking Israel's compromise with pagan gods such as Baal and Molech are not relevant in the New Covenant as Elohim's eschatological imperatives concerning Messiah's foreordained mission "to destroy the works of the Devil" (Genesis 3:15; 1 John 3:8b) came to fruition/fulfillment at Golgotha...as a Christian, I am not under the Law Covenant... Why is this truism so difficult for you to comprehend? 2 Corinthians 4:4?

Nope Jesus said... Matthew 5:17-18 King James Version (KJV)

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

So you can not claim irrelevancy just because it's old testament and convenient transcripts. Your god says so. Gods law is its commands and if you disobey and think for yourself you're doomed. You know that so just admit you would kill for it. It's all relevant as your book says so...

2:timothy 3:16&17: All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; If you're sending a rebuttal or atheistic nonsense to me, please use @rickeyholtsclaw so that I'm sure to see your message.

Again, ad nauseam, my Lord would not command that I violate His law concerning murder.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; BTW...Jesus fulfilled the Law perfectly...

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Again, ad nauseam, my Lord would not command that I violate His law concerning murder.

Again you fail at displaying cognitive abilities. It has according to your book. Fairytale excuse don't count. Santa isn't real, get it? It orders you...

Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly adestroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and .

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; It is the fool that says there is no God.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR RUNAWAY QUOTE FROM BIBLICAL FACTS THAT YOU CANNOT ADDRESS!: “I’m not notified of your intent or your atheistic irrelevance if you simply quote me...as your comment appears a one among many irrelevant atheistic drivel in this forum. Please try harder? “

Your above RUNAWAY EXCUSE statement is in relation to me in answering your posts shown herewith: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176290/#Comment_176290

Heads up Rickey, YOU are the one that needs to TRY HARDER in defending your faith of Christianity like Jesus’ inspired words state that you are to do in the passages below, and not act like a little wussy boy by RUNNING AWAY from the link shown above!

JESUS SAID TO DEFEND YOUR FAITH!!!

"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," (2 Corinthians 10:5)

"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)

RICKEY, HOW DOES IT FEEL TO TELL JESUS AS HE WATCHES YOU (HEBREW 4:13) TO “SCREW OFF” AND THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO FOLLOW HIS INSPIRED WORDS SHOWN ABOVE TO DEFEND YOUR CHRISTIANITY? CAN YOU SMELL SULFUR YET BIBLE RUNAWAY?!

RICKEY, I AM WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE THIS TIME TO THE LINK SHOWN ABOVE!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsq0FiXjGHg

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RickeyHoltsclaw

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR RUNAWAY QUOTE FROM BIBLICAL FACTS THAT YOU CANNOT ADDRESS!: “I’m not notified of your intent or your atheistic irrelevance if you simply quote me...as your comment appears a one among many irrelevant atheistic drivel in this forum. Please try harder? “

Your above RUNAWAY EXCUSE statement is in relation to me in answering your posts shown herewith: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176290/#Comment_176290

Heads up Rickey, YOU are the one that needs to TRY HARDER in defending your faith of Christianity like Jesus’ inspired words state that you are to do in the passages below, and not act like a little wussy boy by RUNNING AWAY from the link shown above!

JESUS SAID TO DEFEND YOUR FAITH!!!

"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," (2 Corinthians 10:5)

"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)

RICKEY, HOW DOES IT FEEL TO TELL JESUS AS HE WATCHES YOU (HEBREW 4:13) TO “SCREW OFF” AND THAT YOU DON’T HAVE TO FOLLOW HIS INSPIRED WORDS SHOWN ABOVE TO DEFEND YOUR CHRISTIANITY? CAN YOU SMELL SULFUR YET BIBLE RUNAWAY?!

RICKEY, I AM WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE THIS TIME TO THE LINK SHOWN ABOVE!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsq0FiXjGHg
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@Factfinder ; You make no sense...can you state a rebuttal that is understood and with a defined premise void the all-caps and highlighting?

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

IT IS THE BIBLE FOOL RUNAWAY LIKE YOU THAT IS TO SCARED TO ADDRESS BIBLE FACTS SHOWN IN THE FOLLOWING LINK!
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176290/#Comment_176290

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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Can you state a rebuttal or a premise without chasing after links?

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR CONTINUED BIBLE IGNORANCE QUOTE!!!: "Again, ad nauseam, my Lord would not command that I violate His law concerning murder."
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176454/#Comment_176454

WRONG AGAIN BIBLE FOOL! Your Jesus AS GOD does violate his law against MURDER to his JEWISH creation when he COMMANDS THEM KILL in the circumstances shown in the passage below!!!

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, BUT KILL HIM. Your hand shall be the first raised to SLAY HIM; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall STONE HIM TO DEATH, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)

RICKEY, HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO CORRECT YOUR BIBLE DUMBNESS? You seem to be overdosing on your "Bible " pills of late, can you tell the membership in why this is happening to you in your total embarrassment of not knowing the Bible like you think you do?

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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; This decree was for purity in the Tribes...a deterrent from violating the Greatest Commandment. This is the Law Covenant, not the New Covenant...please try harder?

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR LAME EXCUSE NUMBER 638328294956834823 TO ONCE AGAIN RUNAWAY FROM YOUR BIBLE DUMBNESS: " Can you state a rebuttal or a premise without chasing after links?

NO BIBLE FOOL, I have to show you the links that you are running away from for you to answer them, GET IT? DUH! I have used this process since I have shown you to be the outright bible fool of this Religion Forum, and only now you complain about my modus operandi operation in PROVING you to be the BIBLE FOOL? Surely you jest! ROFLOL!!!

AGAIN, here is the link you are to address in front of the membership: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176290/#Comment_176290

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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Not interested in your links...state your premise concisely - succinctly - understandably; after all, it's you that's headed to death in Hell in your spiritual ignorance...please try harder? Thank you.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR PATHETIC RUNAWAY QUOTE ONCE AGAIN: " Not interested in your links...state your premise concisely "

Okay, here are the premises in said links shown below, are you ready to address them this time without anymore RUNAWAY excuses?

"YOUR QUOTE RELATIVE TO JESUS SAYING THAT ANY OFFSPRING THAT CURSE THEIR PARENTS IS TO BE MURDERED!!!: “He accused them of violating God’s commandment. And at the same time, He also brilliantly dismissed their charge by functionally saying that your tradition is used as an excuse to transgress God’s word.” https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176098/#Comment_176098

YES! The Pharisees did VIOLATE Gods word that Jesus was referring to in the following passage: “ANYONE WHO CURSES THEIR FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.” (Leviticus 20:9)

Therefore, Jesus' word as god still says that a parents offspring that curse them are to be put to death, and their blood shall be upon them! Thank you for giving credence to this Bible FACT!

Therefore, have you had to MURDER any of your offspring that cursed you?

YOUR SHORT ANSWER TO THE FACT THAT JESUS AS GOD SAYS TO MURDER OFFSPRING IN LEVITICUS 20:9 THAT CURSE THEIR PARENTS IS:

YOUR QUOTE TO YOUR “WAR AND PEACE” DISSERTATION RELATIVE TO MURDERING A WIFE THAT WAS NOT A VIRGIN AT MARRIAGE: “God’s desire is for justice, mercy, and faith (Matthew 23:23)”https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176098/#Comment_176098

YES, Jesus in being God, desired JUSTICE to be followed in MURDERING A WIFE that is not a virgin upon her wedding night! We thank you for admitting to this JUSTICE in your once again “War and Peace Apologetic Book Dissertation" shown in the link above!

“But if the thing is true, and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, AND THE MEN OF HER CITY SHALL STONE HER TO DEATH WITH STONES, because she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel, to play the harlot in her father’s house. So you shall put away the evil from among you.” (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)

An image of Christianity's disgusting MORAL BIBLICAL VALUES that the pseudo-christian has to follow in the 21st Century relative to following the revealing murdering Bible passage of Deuteronomy 22:13-21!!! https://www.imagebam.com/view/MESAVLS

YOUR SHORT ANSWER TO ACCEPTING JESUS' WORDS AS GOD THAT WIVES THAT ARE NOT VIRGINS ON THEIR WEDDING NIGHT ARE TO BE MURDERED IS:

JESUS AS GOD IN BEING AN OUTRIGHT ABORTIONIST IN HOSEA 9:11-16!!!!

With all of your BIBLE BABBLE “War and Peace” dissertation AGAIN from your Satanic “Apologetic Books,” relative to Hosea 9:11-16 in the following link, was circumventing the FACT that Jesus as god is an ABORTIONIST!!!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176098/#Comment_176098

JESUS' INSPIRED WORDS AS GOD (1 Thessalonians 2:13) “The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, FOR THEIR CHILDREN WILL DIE AT BIRTH OR PERISH IN THE WOMB or never even be conceived. Even if your children survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered oh Lord. what should I request for your people? I will ask for the wombs that don’t give birth and breast that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. THEIR ROOTS ARE DRIED UP; THEY WILL BEAR NO MORE FRUIT. AND IF THEY GIVE BIRTH, I WILL SLAUGHTER THEIR BELOVED CHILDREN (Hosea 9:11-16)

YOUR SHORT ANSWER IN HAVING TO ACCEPT THAT YOUR EVER LOVING AND FORGIVING JESUS AS GOD WAS AN ABORTIONIST AND WILL "SLAUGHTER" BABIES IF BORN IN HOSEA 9:11-16 IS:

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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; One topic at a time...you are NOT worthy of that much time. Yes, disobedient children were threatened with death...there is no account of this ever having manifest in Israel's history but the "threat" was a definite bulwark to disobedience. You too will suffer death in Hell due your disobedience...you should learn as opposed to mocking and blasphemy.

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

JESUS' DIRECT WORDS TO FOLLOW IF A WIFE IS NOT A VIRGIN UPON THEIR WEDDING NIGHT:

“But if the thing is true, and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, AND THE MEN OF HER CITY SHALL STONE HER TO DEATH WITH STONES, because she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel, to play the harlot in her father’s house. So you shall put away the evil from among you.” (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)

YOUR QUOTE TO YOUR JESUS' WORDS ABOVE WHERE YOU ADMIT HE IS CORRECT!!!!: “God’s desire is for justice, mercy, and faith (Matthew 23:23)" ”https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176098/#Comment_176098

YES, Jesus' desired JUSTICE is to be followed like you said in MURDERING A WIFE that is not a virgin upon her wedding night!

An image of RICKEYHOLTSCLAW following through on his gods COMMAND to murder a woman that was not a virgin upon her wedding night, and showing the disgusting MORAL BIBLICAL VALUES of Christianity regarding Deuteronomy 22:13-21: https://www.imagebam.com/view/MESAVLS

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Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

You too will suffer death in Hell due your disobedience...

Obey or die. Let's see who else exhorted authority in such a primitive, brutal hateful way...Stalin, Hitler, Pol-Pot,...and the father of all such styles of rule, Jesus...

Worship me. Don't eat...or die.

except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. From that tree you shall not eat; when you eat from it you shall die. Genesis 2:17

Of course the main thing your god cares about is submission to it's will. That's why all the other offenses will be forgiven as long as you believe when you take your last breath, right ricky?...

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." Revelation 21:8

Your god don't care about criminal activity, it will order you to kill. Your book says so.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly adestroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and . 1 Samuel 15:3.

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

You too will suffer death in Hell due your disobedience...

Obey or die. Let's see who else exhorted authority in such a primitive, brutal hateful way...Stalin, Hitler, Pol-Pot,...and the father of all such styles of rule, Jesus...

Worship me. Don't eat...or die.

except the tree of knowledge of good and evil. From that tree you shall not eat; when you eat from it you shall die. Genesis 2:17

Of course the main thing your god cares about is submission to it's will. That's why all the other offenses will be forgiven as long as you believe when you take your last breath, right ricky?...

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." Revelation 21:8

Your god don't care about criminal activity, it will order you to kill. Your book says so.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly adestroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and . 1 Samuel 15:3.

@Factfinder ; @21CenturyIconoclast ; @MayCaesar ; @ZeusAres42 ; Jesus is a Warrior God...you will find this truism most horrific the moment you exhale your last..you think yourself wise and cocky and arrogant in your ways...you will be humbled. Your atheism and your blasphemy will not go unpunished...you will reap what you sow (Galatians 6:7-8).

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

HELLO RICKEY, I gave you what you wanted in posting only ONE TOPIC at at time to you because your inept thinking capabilities can't handle more than one topic anyway! LOL!

Therefore, you are NOT FOLLOWING THROUGH on your request because you are still RUNNING AWAY from this topic of mine in this link: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176667/#Comment_176667

SCARED? Don't you realize Jesus is watching you RUN (Hebrews 4:13) from trying to defend his faith (Titus 1:9) to said post above AND the membership as well? LOL! How embarrassing can you get?

WAITING: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsq0FiXjGHg

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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; What am I running from, atheist...why not articulate your thoughts, if possible, in lieu of posting links and insults?

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Jesus is a Warrior God...

He is who you hide behind as you spew your petty hatred towards those smarter than you, nothing more. Grow up.

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Jesus is a Warrior God...

He is who you hide behind as you spew your petty hatred towards those smarter than you, nothing more. Grow up.

@Factfinder ; @ZeusAres42 ; @MayCaesar ; I have no need to hide...you and your ilk are representatives of a horrible, defiled, evil, people...you are the bane of man's existence, those who seek sustainable mores, values, norms. You are to be shunned and treated as an embarrassment to all that is good, holy, righteous, as you, with intent, represent that demonic faction of society that worships death, infanticide, unconscionable perversion, destruction of the family, destruction of the United States. Atheism is to be loathed and treated with contempt. Your evil is to be hated. You are part and parcel of the demonic.

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