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Historical Context: Judaism was the dominant religion in Judea during the time of Jesus. The entire New Testament was written in a Jewish cultural context.
Ancestry: The genealogies of Jesus in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke trace his lineage back to King David, a central figure in Jewish history.
Practices: Jesus observed Jewish customs and traditions. He participated in Jewish festivals like Passover (John 2:13) and taught in synagogues (Mark 1:21).
References: Jesus is referred to as a "Rabbi" (John 1:38), a Jewish teacher. He debated Jewish religious leaders and engaged with Jewish interpretations of scripture.
Messiah: Jesus identified himself as the Messiah prophesied in the Hebrew Bible, a concept central to Judaism.
The entire context of the New Testament portrays Jesus as someone who fully participated in and identified with first-century Judaism.
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A Palestinian is a person who is native to or lives in Palestine, or an Arab who previously lived in Palestine and advocates for an Arab homeland there.
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I could get in more detail but it really is not the point of the debate and I just wanted you to know the true providence of the name.
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Thanks for clearing that up , it maks perfect sense when you think about it .
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"But first let’s consider one of its earlier and notable uses. The Roman emperor Hadrian reigned for 21 years between 117-138 A.D. From 132–136 A.D., a Jewish messianic figure, Bar Kokhba, led a revolt against Hadrian that resulted in the deaths of more than half a million Jews in their desperate bid for independence from their pagan conquerors. But their valiant attempt was in vain against the overwhelming power of Roman legions.
Hadrian’s genocidal ambition intensified when he then decided to strip the Jews of their biblical name. He sought to change their identity and sever them from their ancestry by renaming the land Syria Palestina after the Philistines in the Bible—enemies of Israel, although not Arabs. Hadrian then made it worse. He renamed Jerusalem—the already 1,000-year-old Jewish capital—Aelia Capitolina and turned it into a pagan city."
https://cbnisrael.org/2021/10/21/the-truth-about-palestine-then-and-now/
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However, the history of that name goes back millennia. First coined by the ancient Greeks for the five-city area in the Philistine confederacy
https://cbnisrael.org/2021/10/21/the-truth-about-palestine-then-and-now/
And that was about 500 yrs before the Bar Kokhba revolt...
The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BCE ancient Greece,[iii][iv] when Herodotus wrote of a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê" (Ancient Greek: Συρίη ἡ Παλαιστίνη καλεομένη)[9] in The Histories, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)#:~:text=The%20first%20clear%20use%20of,Judean%20mountains%20and%20the%20Jordan
Over time the region may have condensed and expanded depending on geopolitical circumstances but it was in existence during the time of christ. Unless it fell into the ocean at some point?
Now for the part of your post I was more interested in: You said...
...it's a made-up name for a people group who emanate from the seed of Satan.
Any empirical evidence of this satan, or the seed of it you mention? Is there observational documentation or authentic recordings of people 'emanating' from this thing you reference? Remember, 'the bible says' isn't evidence.
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YOUR BIBLE INEPT THINKING AGAIN IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP!: "Jesus was definitely Jewish with his biological lineage associated with David from the southern part of Israel. How are you defining Palestinian? "
When will you ever give this esteemed Religion Forum a break from your outright BIBLE STUPIDITY?! Huh?
I have already made you the Bible fool on this topic before, but you didn't take the BIBLE AXIOMS to heart that I gave you, other than to continually RUN AWAY from them in showing everyone in how BIBLE you are! ENOUGH!
1. Joseph could not pass on his "seeds of David through the flesh" to give the baby Jesus the blood line of David because Joseph did not have sexual relations with Mary to begin with! GET IT? This is because Jesus as God celestially and incestually impregnated is own mother Mary through His Holy Spirit which is part of His Triune Doctrine as being God. Therefore, Apostle Paul LIED when he said this: “Jesus the Messiah, our Lord, who was descended from David ACCORDING TO THE FLESH” (Romans 1:3)
2. Furthermore, Jesus' mother Mary was a LEVITE, and her genealogy cannot be used to passing on the "seeds of David through the flesh" for obvious reasons, GET IT? (Acts 2:30).
3. The genealogies of Jesus, and Joseph in Matthew 1:16 and in Luke are for them only, and could never be for Mary because of the simple fact that Mary is NOT specifically mentioned anywhere within the Bible as being from the blood line of David in the first place, period!
4. ALL genealogies of the Hebrew peoples were in the fathers name, and NEVER in the 2nd class woman's name , therefore Matthew and Lukes genealogies were for Jesus and Joseph's genealogy only as they said, and NOT FOR MARY! (Numbers 1:18).
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS TIME IN HOW BIBLE DUMB YOU TRULY ARE IN SAYING THAT JESUS IS FROM THE LINEAGE OF DAVID?! HUH? ..... MAYBE?..... JUST A LITTLE BIT? LOL!
Here is ANOTHER LINK that you are RUNNING AWAY from because you can't address your serial killer Jesus as God in his creation narratives!: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177920/#Comment_177920
RUN ... "JUST_SAYIN," ...RUN, HURRY, RUN AWAY FROM YOUR BIBLE STUPIDITY AGAIN AS SHOWN ABOVE!
THE NEXT TOTALLY BIBLE PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN LIKE "JUST SAYIN," WILL BE ....?
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OMG!!! LOOK WHO IS BACK TO BE EASILY MADE THE BIBLE FOOL AGAIN IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP, IT’S RICKEYHOLTSCLAW!!!!
Since you had to run away back in early March from your JUDEO-Christian Bible’s deplorable verses and narratives, you have a lot of catching up to do with just me alone! Understood Bible FOOL?
Remember, this Religion Forum is for discussion, and not to RUN away from discussion like you have done as shown in the links below, understood bible fool? HUH?
Now, we will start with ONLY the statements below that you have RAN AWAY from since your embarrassing departure because you couldn't handle me BIBLE SLAPPING YOU SILLY®️ in front of the membership! NO LITTLE BOY EXCUSES TO RUN AWAY AGAIN, UNDERSTOOD?
READY?
BEGIN!!!!!!:
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177595/#Comment_177595
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177452/#Comment_177452
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177678/#Comment_177678
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176599/#Comment_176599
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176599/#Comment_176599
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176610/#Comment_176610
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176610/#Comment_176610
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176652/#Comment_176652
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176697/#Comment_176697
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176697/#Comment_176697
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176816/#Comment_176816
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176946/#Comment_176946
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177302/#Comment_177302
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177306/#Comment_177306
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177372/#Comment_177372
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177398/#Comment_177398
RICKEY, HAS YOUR CHILDREN AND WIFE VIEWED YOUR BIBLE STUPIDITY WITHIN THIS RELIGION FORUM, AND WHERE THEY ARE AS EMBARRASSED AS YOU ARE BECAUSE OF THIS FACT?
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Above all archeological research clearly reveals the historical link between the Jewish people, the Bible and the Land of Israel, uncovering the remains of the cultural heritage of the Jewish people in its homeland. These visible remains, buried in the soil, constitute the physical link between the past, the present and the future of the Jewish people in its country.
This unbroken chain of history can be observed at sites all over the country. Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, has been the focus of extensive archeological activity and remains of 5,000 years of history have been revealed.
TIMELINE OF HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS
c.17th century
Noam Nadav
Famine forces Israelites to migrate to Egypt.
Torah, including the Ten Commandments, received at Mount Sinai.
centuries
Judah conquered by Babylonia; Jerusalem and First Temple destroyed; most Jews exiled.
THE SECOND TEMPLE PERIOD
63 BCE-313
CE
Temple in Jerusalem refurbished
(CE - The Common Era)
(Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem)
British Foreign Minister Balfour pledges support for establishment of a "Jewish national home in Palestine"
1918-48
Vaad Leumi (National Council) set up by Jewish community (Yishuv) to conduct its affairs.
Jewish Agency representing Jewish community vis-a-vis Mandate authorities set up.
End of British Mandate (14 May)
State of Israel proclaimed (14 May).
Israel invaded by five Arab states (15 May).
Israel Defense Forces (IDF) established.
War of Independence (May 1948-July 1949).
Armistice agreements signed with Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon.
Jerusalem divided under Israeli and Jordanian rule.
First Knesset (parliament) elected.
Israel admitted to United Nations as 59th member.
Visit of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat to Jerusalem.
Prime Minister Menachem Begin and President Anwar Sadat awarded Nobel Peace Prize.
Operation Peace for Galilee removes Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) terrorists from Lebanon.
Operation Moses, immigration of Jews from Ethiopia.
Start of mass immigration of Jews from former Soviet Union.
Middle East peace conference convened in Madrid;
Operation Solomon, airlift of Jews from Ethiopia.
New government headed by Yitzhak Rabin of Labor Party.
Implementation of Palestinian self-government in Gaza Strip and Jericho area.
Full diplomatic relations with the Holy See.
Morocco and Tunisia interest offices set up.
Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty signed.
Rabin, Peres, Arafat awarded Nobel Peace Prize.
Prime Minister Rabin assassinated at peace rally.
Shimon Peres becomes prime minister.
Operation Grapes of Wrath, retaliation for Hizbullah terrorists' attacks on northern Israel.
Trade representation offices set up in Oman and Qatar.
Likud forms government after Knesset elections.
Binyamin Netanyahu elected prime minister.
Omani trade representation office opened in Tel Aviv.
Israel and the PLO sign the Wye River Memorandum to facilitate implementation of the Interim Agreement.
Israel and the PLO sign the Sharm-el-Sheikh Memorandum.
Israel withdraws from the Security Zone in southern Lebanon.
Israel admitted to UN Western European and Others Group.
Renewed violence (Second Intifada). Prime Minister Barak resigns.
The Sharm-el-Sheikh Fact-Finding Committee report (Mitchell Report) issued.
Palestinian-Israeli Security Implementation Work Plan (Tenet ceasefire plan) proposed.
Rechavam Ze'evy, Minister of Tourism, assassinated by Palestinian terrorists.
2002
Israel begins building the anti-terrorist fence to stop West Bank terrorists from killing Israeli citizens.
Prime Minister Sharon disperses the Knesset, calling for new elections to be held on 28 January 2003.
2003
Israel accepts the Roadmap.
2005
2006
After Prime Minister Sharon suffers a stroke, Ehud Olmert becomes acting prime minister.
Following elections on 28 March, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert forms new government led by the Kadima Party.
Israel carried out military operations against Palestinian terrorists in Gaza after kidnapping of Israeli soldier.
The Second War in Lebanon, during which Israel carried out military operations against Hizbullah terrorism from southern Lebanon, following missile attacks and kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers.
2007
Shimon Peres elected President by the Knesset.
Israel declares Gaza "hostile territory" following Hamas violent takeover of Gaza Strip.
2008
Israel celebrates its 60th anniversary.
Israel launches its Gaza Operation (Operation Cast Lead) in response to the barrage of over 10,000 rockets and mortars fired from the Gaza Strip.
2009
Benjamin Netanyahu is elected Prime Minister in national elections held in February 2009, and forms a broad-based coalition government
The city of Tel Aviv celebrates its 100th anniversary.
2010
Israel joins the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).
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The bible isn't evidence. It's dogma.
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The land named Mesopotamia, the "Birthplace of Culture," saw the start of ways of life, laws, and worship. It helped the first towns and lands grow, such as the ones built by Sumerians, Assyrians, and Babylonians. These groups didn't just raise cities; they also penned tales, crafted rules, and held deep spiritual views.
In the stories of the Jewish people, Mesopotamia is the spot where Abraham, key to Jews, Christians, and Muslims, set off in the Hebrew texts. He moved from that land to Canaan, taking in areas now called Israel and Palestine, marking a big pledge to God in these religions.
Later, the name "Palestine" came up after an uprising in the years 132-136. The ruler of Rome, Hadrian, changed the place's name from Judea to Syria Palaestina to cut the tie of the Jews to the area after their fight, showing how the place's identity has shifted over time.
The old Canaan, by the Jordan River's west side, is well-known as where biblical folks like Abraham stayed. But the Romans later named it "Palestine."
Jesus came into the world in Bethlehem, in Judea—not Mesopotamia—a key point in chats about these sacred figures.
To wrap it up, Mesopotamia holds deep roots in culture and old times. Yet, to get the whole picture, especially in stories from the Bible, we should look into how names like "Canaan," "Judea," and "Palestine" have changed through the years.
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Palestine has always existed. The Greeks coined the name about 500 BCE. Before that there had been tribes of who we now refer to as Palestinians as well as other nomads. What the bible says about god giving that land to the Jews even before that; doesn't negate the fact that the land and the people had been there before god promised it to Abraham. So your claim it didn't exist is wrong. Maybe it wasn't known as "Palestine" before god's promise to Abraham but it wasn't called Israel yet either.
While there is general agreement that massive settlement of the coast of Canaan by sea peoples from Crete took place around 1200 B.C., there is no reason to suppose Philistine settlements did not exist long before this time. In Abram’s time as in the time of Moses a variety of peoples had settled in Canaan, including Hittites from the far north. Certainly the seagoing peoples who traded the Mediterranean had established colonies along the shores of the entire basin for centuries prior to Abraham’s time.
https://apologeticspress.org/philistines-in-the-time-of-abrahamfallacy-or-fact-671/
Also you still haven't produced empirical evidence that Palestinians "emanate from the seed of Satan" like you claimed. The bible isn't evidence. Prove satan and its seed even exist. Then how do you observe your claims that people can emanate from them?
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And when one starts digging even deeper, it turns out that most of these labels are quite loose and arbitrary. Unlike real biological entities such as gender, "nationality" appears to be more of a socially emergent entity. Humans have always been migrating, and no matter which individual you look at, chances are 10 levels up in their family tree one can find residents of hundreds of states and regions. Perhaps Jesus' granddad was from Nubia - what difference would it make?
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I think it's entirely possible a guy named Jesus who had a following was alive and was crucified around the time of Christ. Minus all the supernatural claims of course .But the sandy blond haired blue eyed person often portrayed in images is not likely to be an accurate depiction. The thing is we may never know as physical evidence is lacking. I do know however I won't loose any sleep over it!
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You're missing the point. Regions undergo lots of changes. But they do not cease to exist because of name changes. You made the false claim that Palestine didn't exist before Christ. You said Romans named it Palestine first and I've debunked that. Greeks did. Point being there was people there before the Jews even if Jews arrived soon after. And biblically, you do accept that Jews arrived after, correct? Hence the battle of Jericho? The "gateway" into the promised land according to your bible? Do you know that Stalingrad was called Volgograd? One city, two names, always continued to exist since its emergence despite what it's called. Palestine has existed all along. Granted not as a state or country. But what difference does that make at the end of the day?
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I see. Cause the bible says so?
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History confirms same...
Nope. Real historical research confirms the region existed before your bible did. And people were there before your bible said Abraham could have it.
Why do you think Palestine and Palestinians never existed contrary to evidence and facts that they did; but you believe your fairy god elf exist with no evidence what so ever?
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You realize that's the bible, not reality, right?
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just_sayin,
YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE AGAIN IN RELATION TO MARY BEING FROM THE LINE OF DAVID, NOT!!!: "You know you could have just did a quick Google search and found that Mary is said to descend on her father's side from the tribe of Judah, and on her mother's from the tribe of Levi. That would make Jesus in the lineage of priest and king"
HEADS UP BIBLE FOOL! You did not give any biblical backup to your perceived notion that you laughably brought forth, other than for me to do a “Google Search” to find out that the celestially impregnated mother Mary through INCEST of her son Jesus through his spirit, is allegedly from the tribe of Judah, of which SHE IS NOT!!!!!
++++++ MARY IS A LEVITE FOR DUMMIES LIKE "JUST_SAYIN!!!" ++++++:
ELIZABETH IS A COUSIN OF MARY: “The angel speaking to Mary: “Look, even Elizabeth your cousin has conceived a son in her old age, and she who was called barren is in her sixth month.” (Luke 1:36)
COUSIN: a child of one's uncle or aunt, a person belonging to the same extended family, as per Elizabeth shown above to Mary!
Furthermore, Luke claims AGAIN that Mary was the “cousin” of Elizabeth, who he says was a descendant of Aaron the high priest: “In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron.” (Luke 1:5 )
Therefore shown above, Aaron "Paternally" is a LEVITE family member to Elizabeth and Mary!: “And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart.” (Exodus 4:14)
Therefore, the simple math of family shown above depicts Mary to be a LEVITE! 2+2=4!
1. HEADS UP AGAIN BIBLE FOOL! Nowhere in the third Gospel, or in the entire New Testament, is there a specific claim that the incestual Mother Mary was a descendant of the House of David, NONE! On the contrary, Luke plainly asserts that it is Joseph who was from the House of David, and not Mary!
To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph,of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.” (Luke 1:27)
2. Furthermore at your embarrassing expense, in Luke 2:4, the author writes that the reason it was necessary for Joseph and Mary to return to Bethlehem was because it was Joseph who was from the house of David, and not Mary! GET IT BIBLE FOOL?
“And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; because he was of the house and lineage of David.” (Luke 2:4)
3. The Tribal lineage is passed down through the human biological fathers LIKE YOU SAID, and not of their mothers like Mary, as explicitly shown in the following verse:
“And on the first day of the second month, they assembled the whole congregation together, who registered themselves by families, by their fathers’ houses, according to the number of names from twenty years old and upward, head by head.” (Numbers 1:18)
4. Therefore, don’t even try to purport that the comical and alleged Luke 3:23-38 lineage relates to Mary to King David through Judah, where the beginning of this verse specifically states: "Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,..." where this is Joseph's tribal linage, and not Mary's, GET IT?
Furthermore, Mary is not even mentioned in this lineage in Luke 3:23-38 in the first place because the linage relates to Fathers and not Mothers like Mary! If the Bible writers wanted to prove without a doubt that Mary was from the linage of David, they would have written about this tribal fact, but they didn’t! GET IT CONTINUED BIBLE FOOL?!
Therefore, your mythical Jesus replied in your behalf the following truth about your Bible ineptness: “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures" (Matthew 22:29). LOL!!!
CASE CLOSED AT YOUR CONTINUED EMBARRASSMENT IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP AGAIN!
NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN AS DUMBFOUNDED OF THE BIBLE AS ....“JUST_SAYIN” .... ON THE TOPIC OF MARY BEING FROM THE LINE OF DAVID, WHICH SHE IS NOT AS SHOWN IN THIS POST, WILL BE ….?
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just_sayin, the equal runaway from biblical FACTS like "RickeyHoltsclaw" ........
THE MEMBERSHIP WANTS TO KNOW WHY YOU CONTINUE TO RUN AWAY from your serial killer Jesus as God in his creation narratives in the following link!: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177920/#Comment_177920
RUN ... "JUST_SAYIN," ...RUN, HURRY, RUN AWAY FROM YOUR BIBLE STUPIDITY AGAIN AS SHOWN ABOVE!
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