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In this case, it's not history, it's fantasy with some historical references... And if you actually want to go to the origin of this fiction story, it's the original Torah you should look into... In the Torah you'll find references to Sheol, where it is described as a region “dark and deep,” “the Pit,” and “the Land of Forgetfulness,” where human beings descend after death. The suggestion is that in the netherworld of Sheol, the deceased, although cut off from God and humankind, live on in some shadowy state of existence.
While this vision of Sheol is rather bleak (setting precedents for later Jewish and Christian ideas of an underground hell) there is generally no concept of judgment or reward and punishment attached to it. In fact, the more pessimistic books of the Bible, such as Ecclesiastes and Job, insist that all of the dead go down to Sheol, whether good or evil, rich or poor, slave or free man... And there is an underlying sense of eternity in Sheol as it is described as the permanent place of the dead. Not until the Second Temple period do we see a more diverse set of ideas developed...
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****aside from the catholics being first, before christains, all you are doing is reading the bible on how it is translated today, not how it was originally written.
I’m not , originally written by who? All you’re doing is referring to Tyndales mistranslation
*** simple as that. you are acting just like a religious individual that you so quickly deride; you wont face the facts nor look it up because you do not want your cherished beliefs to be ruined.
I’ve no “cherished beliefs “ regards a book of I leave that to you and other nuts
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But if you want to go to the origins, you have to go to the jewish roots as Christianity stems from it...
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****was just pointed out to dee that according to early writings that god does not condemn people to hell forever
He does , and in his own words. You keep ignoring what I’m asking as in originally written by who?
****if you wish to try to convince that there really is no concept of hell in the bible, feel free.
Who is she? God of the Bible always did , you’re mistranslated Tyndale is of no consequence in this thread
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***yeah yeah yeah, go drink your cheap wine and pretend to be articulate and all knowing some where else.
I don’t drink cheap wine , I guess this is another case of you talking about yourself as you and your mum share your daily bottle or two of plonk
****at least these other posts are more scientific instead of mad rants
Scientific bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha, right so scientists are debating about eternal Hell fire now , are they the same scientists that “verified “ the inhabitants of Atlantis had T V sets as you buddy Edgar Cayce stated ?
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****im not in that post as of now so I wont defend or state anything about it
Because you cannot as usual
****If you cant stick to proper debate protocol by staying upon the subject then you have no reason to be on such a site
You mean like where you accuse me of drinking cheap wine and being mad? That type of protocol?
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****I am just replying in kind; go back and look at what you said to me.
I said you were a plastic comb salesman living in his mum’s basement .....The truth does indeed hurt it seems
***now go bore some one else,
You mean like you bleating on about your butt buddy the con man Cayce? Also despite being asked you cannot state the “original” version of the Bible you’re referring to because you copy and paste can article like the dummy you are without checking what it actually said
****you are about as articulate as rock with a lisp
Ehhhh rocks don’t have ....lisps at least not on Earth but I forgot you like Cayce believe in Atlantis where anything is possible?
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****let me ask you a question dee; what do you believe in? hmmm?
Hmmmm......I believe in exposing charlatans , quacks and frauds for a start ,
People like let me see hmmmm....Oh yes , Edgar Cayce who believed in Atlantis and that the inhabitants of this fictional place watched T V
Also I believe that New York was not destroyed by a “death ray “ like you and Cayce believe or that California is no more as it slid into the sea , also I don’t believe eating raw rabbit skin ( plus the fur ) cures cancer
**its obvious that you do not believe in religion so what?
Is it? Yet I do believe that there are religions , do you mean I don’t believe in a god , tell me then what’s my position on whether there’s a god or not .....bet you cannot answer?
****science? you know very little of science which is why you never post or answer questions on anything but religions.
Right , but maxx knows all about science which is why he believes eating raw rabbit skin (plus the fur ) cures cancer .
Also when questioned you hide , I destroyed you in every one of you debates .....you cannot answer what is the earliest Bible you were referring to?
Your infinite regress debate I beat in 10 words.
You refuse to tell how rabbit skin cures cancer etc, etc
By blatantly lying you just prove every time you’re a coward who when cornered flees , I have posted a load of debates on non religious subjects and answer most non religious topics
***are you versed in science?
I’m an expert
****let you prove it. we can get together at same time and answer each other in real time, without the ability to look anything up. you choose the subject and the time; here on line.
Right so , you better book a ticket to Rome say 12 noon Friday I will meet you at the airport
Don’t worry about me spotting you as I will keep an eye out for an obese yank wearing a red baseball cap , a white T shirt with the words , Pro god , Pro Gun , pro Life and carrying a much thumbed copy of Edgar Cayce on Atlantis
***I challenge you flat out here in front of everyone. put up or or everyone on here will know you as a fraud
I’m waiting .......Regards frauds you wouldn’t know how to spot one as you believe the biggest ever as in your butt buddy Cayce was genuine
BTW were you home schooled by a drunken parent your spelling is atrocious .....
The title of two of your debates below
to the religoius
Scarey
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Yet I gave you an invite bring Cayce along to (his spirit) that is
***I said here on line I am in central time zone.
Yes I agree
I note as well you failed to answer any of the several questions I asked at least the whole forum can see you’re a dummy who cannot defend itself as well as being a coward
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*** look it up,
I did , so stop lying
****it says online and you fail to pick the subject.
Yet I crush you every time
**** all you seem able to do is deride others for their religious beliefs and insult others.
I don’t , when they make statements like you I ask them to back them up they cannot just like you. I insult no one I call it as it is , I called you an one only has to look at your stupidity in print to realise my assessment is correct
***Apparently you refuse the challenge for you would fail miserably.
Apparently I didn’t , and failure is all yours Mad Maxx , tell me what TV stations did they watch in Atlantis?
***and by the way since you keep bringing other things up so as to redirect your failure to accept my challenge
You haven’t made a challenge , you have refused 11 times now to answer even one of the 5 questions I asked because you’re to .
****show me where cayce said anything about raw rabbit skin,
I thought you claimed to be an expert on Cayce?
****and perhaps use punctuation in your posts
This from an who looks like an advertisement for the reasons one should use a condom Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha.....I pointed out your junior school spelling mistakes and that’s your reply Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha
. ****Once again the challenge stands, here online, at the same time; pick the subject. do you accept it or not?
I will humour you take your pick from these .....
Maxx claims Atlantis existed .....Debate
Maxx claims psychic phenomena exists ....Debate
Maxx claims the Tyndale Bible is the only correct version and the earliest .....Debate
Maxx claims the Atlantians had TV .....Debate
Maxx claims some people have supernatural powers .....Debate
There ya go mad maxx are you gonna chicken out ?
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****I said pick a science subject and we debate it in real time.
You said pick any subject I want and you chicken out , you also fail to answer despite asking 21 times now statements you made but cannot back up
****You refuse to and no amount of flapping your gums will show it.
Says the guy who believes they watched T V in Atlantis Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha
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