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  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    I actually think you’re mentally insane , you said......***** Those gun violence mass shooter crimes, that's an example of Adult abortion. 

    And all of those Adult abortions, are inhumane. ****

    You’re nuts 


  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Dee ;

    Your pettiness with how you debate, is a byproduct of how you've become a victim of your own rationalizations, thus harming how you debate others in an unfair, and unequal manner?

    "I actually think you’re mentally insane , you said......***** Those gun violence mass shooter crimes, that's an example of Adult abortion. 

    And all of those Adult abortions, are inhumane. ****

    You’re nuts"


    And here is the definition of Abort:

    a·bort

    /əˈbôrt/

    noun

    • 1.an act of aborting a flight, space mission, or other enterprise:informal, technical"there was an abort because of bad weather"

    verb

    • 1.carry out or undergo the abortion of (a fetus):"the decision to abort the fetus"synonymsterminateend, have an abortion
    • ▪(of a pregnant woman or female animal) have a miscarriage, with loss of the fetus:"an organism that infects sheep and can cause pregnant ewes to abort"synonymsmiscarry, have a miscarriage
    • ▪(of an embryonic organ or organism) remain undeveloped; fail to mature.
    • 2.bring to a premature end because of a problem or fault:"the pilot aborted his landing"synonymshaltstopend, call off, cut short, ... moreantonymscontinuecompletesucceedcomplete

    Word Originmid 16th century: from Latin aboriri ‘miscarry’, from ab- ‘away, from’ + oriri ‘be born’. 

  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    **** And here is the definition of Abort:

    I know what it means you don’t , you think adults can be aborted you fool 
    Plaffelvohfen
  • Either one is humane according to your own subjective sense of morality.
    Plaffelvohfen



  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @ZeusAres42

    What individual principals are you basing your pro Abortion debate on?

    My individual principals are these:
    Pro Adoption, pro Fetus, pro Family, pro Community, pro Humanity, and Adoptive parents, pro Foster parents, and pro Fetus Rights.

    Here's the Abort definition for you as well:

    A·bort

    /Əˈbôrt/

    noun

    • 1.an act of aborting a flight, space mission, or other enterprise:informal, technical"there was an abort because of bad weather"

    verb

    • 1.carry out or undergo the abortion of (a fetus):"the decision to abort the fetus"synonymsterminateend, have an abortion
    • ▪(of a pregnant woman or female animal) have a miscarriage, with loss of the fetus:"an organism that infects sheep and can cause pregnant ewes to abort"synonymsmiscarry, have a miscarriage
    • ▪(of an embryonic organ or organism) remain undeveloped; fail to mature.
    • 2.bring to a premature end because of a problem or fault:"the pilot aborted his landing"synonymshaltstopend, call off, cut short, ... moreantonymscontinuecompletesucceedcomplete

    Word Originmid 16th century: from Latin aboriri ‘miscarry’, from ab- ‘away, from’ + oriri ‘be born’.  


    @ZeusAres42

    The word Abort, has a wide variety of individual definitions doesn't it?
    PlaffelvohfenZeusAres42Dee
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Dee

    When humans kill humans with a mass shooter gun violence, the word Abort, is a part of the word Abortion, hence when a shooter, kills another individual in cold blood, that is an Aborted life.

    Because when a shooter took another individuals life, that victims life was prematurely ended, or Aborted, or Abort, and or Abortion, the definition of the word Abort, combines all of those word usages together.

    Look closely at this part of the Abort definition:
     
    2.bring to a premature end because of a problem or fault:"the pilot aborted his landing"synonymshaltstopend, call off, cut short, ... moreantonymscontinuecompletesucceedcomplete "
    PlaffelvohfenDee
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @ZeusAres42

    Either one is humane according to your own subjective sense of morality.

    Show me, based on your individual rationale, how a human killing another human via gun violence is humane?

    Abortion isn't humane, its inhumane.

    And I challenge you to show me, where in the U.K. that the Abortion of a fetus is viewed as 1000% humane?

    PlaffelvohfenZeusAres42
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    *****
    When humans kill humans with a mass shooter gun violence, the word Abort, is a part of the word Abortion,

    What in the name of Zeus are you taking? Are you on crack 

    ****hence when a shooter, kills another individual in cold blood, that is an Aborted life.

    But it’s still not an abortion you fool what age are you?

    ****Because when a shooter took another individuals life, that victims life was prematurely ended, or Aborted, or Abort, and or Abortion,

    No you fool Abortion applies to a fetus 

    ****the definition of the word Abort, combines all of those word usages together.

    No it doesn’t 


    PlaffelvohfenDavidKashlinsky
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    @Dee

    Oh my god lady, you are harming your own argument, with how you're using your own mind to reduce a word, or word's down to your inexcusable way of thinking?

    You can view mass shooters gun violence and abortion however you want to?

    And @Plaffelvohfen you can shower your inexcusable rationale towards @Dee, however you want to @Plaffelvohfen, because you're both wrong.


    Adoption is humane, and a Abortion clinic person doing an Abortion, is giving a lazy female, and male a way out from their irrational procreational failures.

    PlaffelvohfenDavidKashlinsky
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 3985 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    You think we're wrong but considering your faulty thinking process, as shown through every debate you participated in, excuse me if I don't find your claim in any way convincing...
    ZeusAres42
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    **** Oh my god lady,

    I’m still not a lady you fool 

    ****you are harming your own argument, with how you're using your own mind to reduce a word, or word's down to your inexcusable way of thinking?

    Ha, Ha you’re the one one who thinks adults who are murdered suffer abortion 

    ****You can view mass shooters gun violence and abortion however you want to?

    I know 

    ****And @Plaffelvohfen you can shower your inexcusable rationale towards @Dee, however you want to @Plaffelvohfen, because you're both wrong.

    No you fool you’re still the one who’s claiming adults can be aborted 


    ***Adoption is humane,

    How many have you adopted bet it’s zero ......also what’s that got to do with an aborted fetus that cannot be adopted?

    ***and a Abortion clinic person doing an Abortion, is giving a lazy female, and male a way out from their irrational procreational failures.

    You really are a prize fool 
    Plaffelvohfen
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    The Truth behind Abortion, there are more contraceptives available to both males and females, than the act of committing an Abortion gets utilized.

    There are females, who are for the most part, are placed on birth control pills after experiencing their first "Time of the Month."

    That's birth control reality #1

    Condoms are birth control reality #2

    The other female products available aside from the birth control pills, are a birth control reality #3

    If a male wants to be intimate with a female, but doesn't want kid's, because of his lifestyle, he can get a vasectomy.

    If a female wants to be intimate with a male, but doesn't want kid's, because of her lifestyle, she can have her tubes tied? 
    (birth control reality #4)

    So the above options have been around for decades now, but Abortion is the rationalized route for a male and a female, who are that mindfully lazy, to chase an Abortion, to erase an unwanted fetus, is a direct reflection of how their aren't really living, but treating life, like it a lifestyle party favor?

    Seeking an Abortion, is how irresponsible males and females, treat their own personal failures.

    Aborting a fetus, because their lazy lifestyle choices mean more to them, then an innocent fetus does?

    Abortion is nothing more then the legalized erasing of an innocent human life.

    And that's pathetic.



    Plaffelvohfen
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    @Plaffelvohfen

    @Dee

    The below realities, are more sobering than your sad pro Abortion counter arguments are.

    The Truth behind Abortion, there are more contraceptives available to both males and females, than the act of committing an Abortion gets utilized.

    There are females, who are for the most part, are placed on birth control pills after experiencing their first "Time of the Month."

    That's birth control reality #1

    Condoms are birth control reality #2

    The other female products available aside from the birth control pills, are a birth control reality #3

    If a male wants to be intimate with a female, but doesn't want kid's, because of his lifestyle, he can get a vasectomy.

    If a female wants to be intimate with a male, but doesn't want kid's, because of her lifestyle, she can have her tubes tied? 
    (birth control reality #4)

    So the above options have been around for decades now, but Abortion is the rationalized route for a male and a female, who are that mindfully lazy, to chase an Abortion, to erase an unwanted fetus, is a direct reflection of how their aren't really living, but treating life, like it a lifestyle party favor?

    Seeking an Abortion, is how irresponsible males and females, treat their own personal failures.

    Aborting a fetus, because their lazy lifestyle choices mean more to them, then an innocent fetus does?

    Abortion is nothing more then the legalized erasing of an innocent human life.

    And that's pathetic. 


    55 million abortions globally is pathetic.

    When there are multiple ways to avoid creating a fetus, but again, when people want to treat birth control like a party favor, the jokes on the fetus, while those same males, and females, go about chasing the next available party, and what happens, the abortion situations start piling up, from country to country?

    Some females seeking out an Abortion clinic for the first time, while the other females in the other countries, are out seeking an Abortion clinic, for their 10th, or 14th Abortion? 


    Plaffelvohfen
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 3985 Pts   -  
    @TKDB
    And that's pathetic. 

    Nah, that would be you...

    Dee
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    @TKDB

    **** Seeking an Abortion, is how irresponsible males and females, treat their own personal failures.

    It’s nothing to do with a male , it’s a woman acting responsibly according to her needs 

    ****Aborting a fetus, because their lazy lifestyle choices mean more to them, then an innocent fetus does?

    Thats a ridiculous comment 

    ***Abortion is nothing more then the legalized erasing of an innocent human life.

    Thankfully it’s legal , hows it “innocent”? 

    ****And that's pathetic. 

    You don’t like women having rights tough ......Trump hasn’t banned abortion and you voted for him Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha 
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Plaffelvohfen

    @Dee

    The below realities, are more sobering than your sad pro Abortion counter arguments are.

    The Truth behind Abortion, there are more contraceptives available to both males and females, than the act of committing an Abortion gets utilized.

    There are females, who are for the most part, are placed on birth control pills after experiencing their first "Time of the Month."

    That's birth control reality #1

    Condoms are birth control reality #2

    The other female products available aside from the birth control pills, are a birth control reality #3

    If a male wants to be intimate with a female, but doesn't want kid's, because of his lifestyle, he can get a vasectomy.

    If a female wants to be intimate with a male, but doesn't want kid's, because of her lifestyle, she can have her tubes tied? 
    (birth control reality #4)

    So the above options have been around for decades now, but Abortion is the rationalized route for a male and a female, who are that mindfully lazy, to chase an Abortion, to erase an unwanted fetus, is a direct reflection of how their aren't really living, but treating life, like it a lifestyle party favor?

    Seeking an Abortion, is how irresponsible males and females, treat their own personal failures.

    Aborting a fetus, because their lazy lifestyle choices mean more to them, then an innocent fetus does?

    Abortion is nothing more then the legalized erasing of an innocent human life.

    And that's pathetic. 


    55 million abortions globally is pathetic.

    When there are multiple ways to avoid creating a fetus, but again, when people want to treat birth control like a party favor, the jokes on the fetus, while those same males, and females, go about chasing the next available party, and what happens, the abortion situations start piling up, from country to country?

    Some females seeking out an Abortion clinic for the first time, while the other females in the other countries, are out seeking an Abortion clinic, for their 10th, or 14th Abortion?  
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/deciding_between_abortion_or_adoption

    "Abortion or Adoption - Know the Facts Before Making a Decision"

    "Cost

    Abortion costs range from hundreds to thousands of dollars, depending on your provider and your stage of pregnancy. Health insurance may cover abortion costs to some degree, but there are a number of legal restrictions on insurance coverage, and the availability of this option may vary on a case-by-case basis.

    Conversely, not only is adoption free, but you may also receive living expenses from the adoptive family to help you cover pregnancy-related expenses such as rent, food, utilities, transportation, maternity clothing, a cell phone and more.

    Confidentiality

    Some women choose abortion over adoption because it can be done confidentially. What they may not realize is an adoption can also be completed confidentially, where a woman’s family, friends and community won’t know about it. Any information you share with American Adoptions is strictly confidential, and your adoption specialist can help you maintain as much privacy as you’d like during your pregnancy and adoption plan. There is always a solution of keeping one’s pregnancy and adoption private, should you feel the need to do so "

  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    How many have you adopted so far? 
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Dee

    Please get back on topic, because you're being insensitive.

    "Free abortions for everyone and free American flags for those against it’s a win - win .....hip hip,horray"

    How many of your UK friends have adopted newborns?
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    ****Please get back on topic, because you're being insensitive.

    Ahhh are you all butt hurt ......again?

    ****How many of your UK friends have adopted newborns?

    I’m not from the U.K. you fool , so you’re still preaching to others about adoption but haven’t done so yourself that makes you a hypocrite ........Horray for abortion and a mini American flag for you 
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    ****Please get back on topic, because you're being insensitive.

    Ahhh are you all butt hurt ......again?

    ****How many of your UK friends have adopted newborns?

    I’m not from the U.K. you fool , so you’re still preaching to others about adoption but haven’t done so yourself that makes you a hypocrite ........Horray for abortion and a mini American flag for you 
    Plaffelvohfen
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    @Dee

    I'm adopted, and if you want an American flag, you can tell me where to ship it to you at, and I happily will.

    I'm proud of the same flag, that you're using to mock this forum with.


    ****Please get back on topic, because you're being insensitive.

    "Ahhh are you all butt hurt ......again?"

    (I'm not butt hurt at all, being that the only one displaying an attitude problem, is yourself?)

    ****How many of your UK friends have adopted newborns?

    "I’m not from the U.K. you fool , so you’re still preaching to others about adoption but haven’t done so yourself that makes you a hypocrite ........Horray for abortion and a mini American flag for you."

    @Dee

    I don't care if you're Russian, German, Spain, Iranian, Turkish, Iraqi, French, Italian, Bulgarian, Chinese, Japanese, North Korean, or South Korean, Mexican, Syrian, Jewish, Canadian, African, or Australian for that matter, you're cultural argument is self explanatory @Dee.


    Plaffelvohfen
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    http://www.adoptglobal.org/

    Global Adoption Services, Inc

    "Every child has the right."
    Plaffelvohfen
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB


    ***** I'm adopted, and if you want an American flag, you can tell me where to ship it to you at, and I happily will.

    I'm proud of the same flag, that you're using to mock this forum with.

    I never mocked the flag I mocked you and your drama queen act 


    ****I don’t on't care if you're Russian, Iranian, Turkish, Iraqi, French, Italian, Bulgarian, Chinese, Japanese, North Korean, or South Korean, Mexican, Syrian, Jewish, Canadian, African, or Australian for that matter, you're cultural argument is self explanatory 

    You do care which is why you keep saying I’m from the U.K. and if my argument is self explanatory how come you’re stalking me?
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    @Dee ;
    This is the theme of this forum:

    What's more humane?

    Your below rhetoric is off topic, being that this specific forum, doesn't mention you at all in its preamble, or me, now does it?

    "Free abortions for everyone and free American flags for those against it’s a win - win .....hip hip, horray"

    "I never mocked the flag I mocked you and your drama queen act"

    I'm sorry but you're incorrect, being that I view your verbalized opinion, and perception in regards to the American flag as mockery.

    Have I mocked your countries flag, in the same mocking way? No, I haven't.

    "You do care which is why you keep saying I’m from the U.K. and if my argument is self explanatory how come you’re stalking me?"
  • So, morality tips the hurdle when governing allows women to have a female-specific amputation to farm stem cells for medical treatments.
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 3985 Pts   -  
    TKDB said:
    @Dee ;
    This is the theme of this forum:

    What's more humane?

    Exactly... And therefore it has nothing to do with laziness, work, sacrifice, which country you reside in, money, laws, etc...

    And my answer, which you did not properly address yet, is this...
    The most humane (compassionate/considerate) thing to do, is to stop procreating altogether...  

    To be "humane" is to show compassion right? To alleviate/prevent needless suffering, correct? If we were to establish a scale, I'd say Adoption would be on the lower part of that scale... Still a humane thing to do no doubt about it, but not the most humane one. 

    Intentionally killing someone can be humane and compassionate too, think of Euthanasia... Imagine being involved in an accident where you lose both arms and legs, lose sight, speech & hearing, you are completely cut off from the world and unable to communicate at all.  Is ending such a life humane or not? I say yes... 

    Abortion is a humane thing to do too, it prevents needless suffering for the mother (either the pains of childbirth itself or the socio-economic burden involved in raising a child to adulthood), it also stops in its track any future harm to the baby. An aborted baby will never hurt or know pain of any kind...

    If we define "humane" as being the characteristic of an action that causes the less possible suffering, abortion is overall, more humane than adoption... 

    Care to try and rebut this? While staying on topic of course... Can you do that?

    Dee
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    @Plaffelvohfen

    How many Abortions has your country performed on those females who maybe failed to use contraceptives to help keep themselves from becoming pregnant?

    How many Abortions are done in your country in regards to Rape or Incest?

    The abortions done in regards to Rape or Incest, those are the humane abortions.
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    ***** I'm sorry but you're incorrect, being that I view your verbalized opinion, and perception in regards to the American flag as mockery.


    Fill out a butt hurt report and Head Office will get back to you or else do your usual and run crying to Aaron
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    ***** I'm sorry but you're incorrect, being that I view your verbalized opinion, and perception in regards to the American flag as mockery.


    Fill out a butt hurt report and Head Office will get back to you or else do your usual and run crying to Aaron
    Plaffelvohfen
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 3985 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    TKDB said:
    @Plaffelvohfen

    How many Abortions has your country performed on those females who maybe failed to use contraceptives to help keep themselves from becoming pregnant?

    How many Abortions are done in your country in regards to Rape or Incest?.
    You're off topic...

    This is the theme of this forum:

    What's more humane?

    The abortions done in regards to Rape or Incest, those are the humane abortions
    Abortion is abortion, regardless if it's rape, incest or whatever...


    DeeZeusAres42
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Plaffelvohfen

    Just because @Plaffelvohfen says what you choose to say, doesn't make it so.

    "Abortion is abortion, regardless if it's rape, incest or whatever..."

    You came up with the above response, because you don't want to have a Real World about Abortion in your own country do you?

    @Plaffelvohfen


    How many Abortions has your country performed on those females who maybe failed to use contraceptives to help keep themselves from becoming pregnant?

    How many Abortions are done in your country in regards to Rape or Incest?

    The abortions done in regards to Rape or Incest, those are the humane abortions.

  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 3985 Pts   -  
    TKDB said:
    @Plaffelvohfen

    How many Abortions has your country performed on those females who maybe failed to use contraceptives to help keep themselves from becoming pregnant?

    How many Abortions are done in your country in regards to Rape or Incest?.
    You're off topic...

    This is the theme of this forum:

    What's more humane?

    The abortions done in regards to Rape or Incest, those are the humane abortions
    Abortion is abortion, regardless if it's rape, incest or whatever...

    Can't even stay on your own topic??
    Dee
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Plaffelvohfen

    If you have a problem with the theme of the forum, you can take your grievance up with Aarong
    PlaffelvohfenZeusAres42
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    ****** If you have a problem with the theme of the forum, you can take your grievance up with Aarong

    As always your final answer when you have no defence 
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    @Dee

    @Plaffelvohfen


    https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

    "Abortions worldwide this year:

    8,468,795

    Sources and methods:

    Definition: An abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by the removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus from the uterus, resulting in or caused by its death. An abortion can occur spontaneously due to complications during pregnancy or can be induced. (definition from Wikipedia)

    Abortion as a term most commonly - and in the statistics presented here - refers to the induced abortion of a human pregnancy, while spontaneous abortions are usually termed miscarriages.

    "This year" refers to the period from Jan 1 at 00:00 up to now.

    The data on abortions displayed on the Worldometer's counter is based on the latest statistics on worldwide abortions published by the World Health Organization (WHO).

    According to WHO, every year in the world there are an estimated 40-50 million abortions. This corresponds to approximately 125,000 abortions per day.

    In the USA, where nearly half of pregnancies are unintended and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion [1] , there are over 3,000 abortions per day. Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies in the USA (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion. [2]

    References and useful links:

    • Abortion (Wikipedia)
    • World Health Organization (WHO) - Statistics by the World Health Organization
    • [1] Finer LB and Henshaw SK, Disparities in rates of unintended pregnancy in the United States, 1994 and 2001, Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, 2006, 38(2):90–96.
    • [2] Jones RK et al., Abortion in the United States: incidence and access to services, 2005, Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, 2008, 40(1):6–16 "

    Abortions outside of rape, incest, or miscarriages are inhumane.
    PlaffelvohfenDee
  • PlaffelvohfenPlaffelvohfen 3985 Pts   -  
    TKDB said:
    @Plaffelvohfen

    If you have a problem with the theme of the forum, you can take your grievance up with Aarong
    I don't have a problem with the topic at all, you on the other hand apparently do. And when one reflects on the fact that it's you that started this very discussion, then this begs the question, doesn't it...? 
    ZeusAres42Dee
    " Adversus absurdum, contumaciter ac ridens! "
  • TKDB said:
    @Dee

    @Plaffelvohfen


    https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

    "Abortions worldwide this year:

    8,468,795


    This number can't be right, abortion was found illegal in America in 1973 women here have been having female-specific amputations from 1973 - 2020.
  • ZeusAres42ZeusAres42 Emerald Premium Member 2768 Pts   -   edited March 2020

    Sorry, before I respond, which account are you using these days again? And which account is more humane here?
    Plaffelvohfen



  • @Plaffelvohfen ;

    The most humane (compassionate/considerate) thing to do, is to stop procreating altogether...  

    Care to try and rebut this? While staying on the topic of course... Can you do that?

    Don’t you mean how would TKDB rebut this statement? I already have several forums past, while the Supreme Court did in 1973, Where the court’s ruling went on to be possible malpractice on a federal level, and I am still waiting for an answer to achieving equality between all-woman using this topic as the creator of peaceful gathering as united-state.

     We, as in men and women, still do kill the same lives that are lost by female-specific amputation by not procreating. The only thing that changes is who else gets involved and how we detail the involvements.


    Plaffelvohfen
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    @Plaffelvohfen

    "Abortion is abortion, regardless if it's rape, incest or whatever...

    Can't even stay on your own topic??"

    I debate with facts, and statistics, and the Truth in regards to Abortion when it comes to Miscarriages, Rape, Incest, and males and females who are lazy when it comes to using contraceptives.

    An Abortion after a miscarriage is humane.

    An Abortion after rape is humane.

    An Abortion after incest is humane.

    An Abortion after a lack of contraceptives is inhumane. 

    "I don't have a problem with the topic at all, you on the other hand apparently do. And when one reflects on the fact that it's you that started this very discussion, then this begs the question, doesn't it...?  "
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    @ZeusAres42

    You're being off topic, being that I'm not the theme of this specific forum.

    The below is the theme of the forum:

    "What's more humane?

    Abortion or Adoption?

    The Death Penalty, or a criminal or an offender, not killing an innocent person, or a mass of innocent people, during the illegal activity of committing any crime?

    Coming into the United States legally, or smuggling one's self, and or, other family members, into the U.S. Illegally via trespassing through the Southern Border?

    Using, or not using, legal or illegal marijuana, (or the other illegal street drug's,) around one's own kid's, or other family members? 

    In the above common real world situations, what's more humane?  "
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/rape-statistics-by-country/



    South Africa
    132.466,19658,558,270
    Botswana92.91,8652,303,697
    Lesotho82.71,7772,125,268
    Swaziland77.58491,148,130
    Bermuda67.34362,506
    Sweden63.55,96010,036,379
    Suriname45.2223581,372
    Costa Rica36.71,6855,047,561
    Nicaragua31.61,8296,545,502
    Grenada30.632112,003
    Saint Kitts And Nevis28.61552,823
    Australia28.66,37825,203,198
    Belgium27.92,99111,539,328
    United States27.384,767329,064,917
    Bolivia26.12,58711,513,100
    New Zealand25.81,1294,783,063
    Zimbabwe25.63,18614,645,468
    Saint Vincent And The Grenadines25.628110,589
    Barbados24.968287,025
    Iceland24.778339,031
    Jamaica24.46682,948,279
    Peru23.56,75132,510,453
    Norway19.29385,378,857
    Trinidad And Tobago18.52471,394,973
    Israel17.61,2438,519,377
    France16.210,10865,129,728
    Guyana15.5117782,766
    Finland15.28185,532,156
    South Korea13.56,32151,225,308
    Chile13.32,23318,952,038
    Mexico13.214,993127,575,529
    Mongolia12.43423,225,167
    Luxembourg11.957615,729
    Solomon Islands1156669,823
    El Salvador116816,453,553
    Ecuador10.91,48417,373,662
    Ireland10.74794,882,495
    Austria10.48758,955,102
    Moldova10.33684,043,263
    Bangladesh9.8211,682163,046,161
    Uruguay9.83273,461,734
    Germany9.47,72483,517,045
    Netherlands9.21,53017,097,130
    Argentina8.53,36744,780,677
    Kazakhstan8.41,29818,551,427
    Brunei7.628433,285
    Italy7.64,51360,550,075
    Sri Lanka7.31,43221,323,733
    Colombia6.83,14950,339,443
    Belize6.721390,353
    Thailand6.74,63669,625,582
    Oman6.61834,974,986
    Denmark6.44005,771,876
    Philippines6.35,813108,116,615
    Lithuania6.32082,759,627
    Paraguay63597,044,636
    Estonia6811,325,648
    Kyrgyzstan5.93146,415,850
    Monaco5.7238,964
    Senegal5.669316,296,364
    Morocco4.81,50736,471,769
    Romania4.71,00719,364,557
    Malta4.7440,372
    Bahrain4.6361,641,172
    Czech Republic4.648010,689,209
    Kuwait4.51194,207,083
    Poland4.11,56737,887,768
    Portugal442410,226,187
    Mauritius3.9511,269,668
    Latvia3.5781,906,743
    Spain3.41,57846,736,776
    Russia3.44,907145,872,256
    Croatia3.21414,130,304
    Slovenia3.1632,078,654
    Maldives39530,953
    Palestine31054,981,420
    Sudan2.91,18942,813,238
    Guatemala2.940117,581,472
    Bulgaria2.82117,000,119
    Singapore2.71185,804,337
    Slovakia2.61425,457,013
    Hungary2.52469,684,679
    Cyprus2.5271,198,575
    Cameroon2.444725,876,380
    Algeria2.481243,053,054
    Belarus2.32189,452,411
    Uganda2.170944,269,594
    Kenya2.184752,573,973
    Jordan211010,101,694
    Greece1.921510,473,455
    Georgia1.9823,996,765
    Qatar1.8132,832,067
    Montenegro1.811627,987
    India1.822,1721,366,417,754
    Canada1.757637,411,047
    Hong Kong1.61127,436,154
    Turkey1.51,07183,429,615
    United Arab Emirates1.5729,770,529
    Ukraine1.463543,993,638
    Sierra Leone1.4797,813,215
    Bosnia And Herzegovina1.2463,301,000
    Andorra1.2177,142
    Japan11,289126,860,301
    Guinea19212,771,246
    Yemen0.817629,161,922
    Syria0.815617,070,135
    Nepal0.821028,608,710
    Albania0.7242,880,917
    Serbia0.7728,772,235
    Turkmenistan0.6275,942,089
    Tajikistan0.5279,321,018
    Lebanon0.5196,855,713
    Armenia0.4112,957,731
    Mozambique0.24430,366,036
    Azerbaijan0.21610,047,718
    Egypt0.1100,388,073
    Liechtenstein038,019 
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    Good old U S in the top 15 for rape and you call it a “Christian nation” Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha 
    Plaffelvohfen
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -  
    @Dee

    Can you explain to Aarong, how your off topic has any bearing in regards to the theme of this forum?

    "Good old U S in the top 15 for rape and you call it a “Christian nation” Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha"
  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    ***** Can you explain to Aarong, how your off topic has any bearing in regards to the theme of this forum?

    Can you explain to Aarong, how your off topic has any bearing in regards to the theme of this forum?

    Can you explain why you call the U S a “Christian nation”?
    Plaffelvohfen
  • RickeyDRickeyD 953 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    Murdering innocence is never an option for the one who seeks to love God, love of family, love of country. It is the demonic and morally defiled that advocates for the mutilation of children and in futility attempts to justify the murder of babies by pointing to "what could be" subsequent to birth.



  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    @RickeyD

    I don't know what to tell you.

    You can see how the other participants in the forum, have individually rationalized how they view Abortion?

    I'm pro Family, pro Community, pro Fetus Rights, pro Adoption, pro Father's rights, and Humanity.

    And what I've come to learn through how the others have self rationalized their platforms, tells me, that some of humanity in general has an issue when it comes to Abortion in regards to (Rape, Incest, and the lack of Contraceptives when it comes to avoid getting pregnant to begin with?)

    The only other outside Abortion related talking point, is in relation to Abortion, is getting an abortion because of a miscarriage?

    I don't think that there is one country, on the face of this planet, that hasn't had a Rape committed on its own soil?

    55 million Abortions a year globally?

    Something is wrong with Humanity in general today, because when some don't mind Aborting an innocent fetus, but will protest the Death Penalty, when it comes to a murderer being executed on Death Row, because a murderer made the anti Family, anti Community, and anti Humanity choice, to kill an innocent person, or people, because their individually committed crimes, were more important that those lost lives are?

    What does 55 million Abortions a year globally, say about the state of Humanity, today? 

    Aak "Plaffelvohfen, ask Dee, ask MayCaesar," ask any of the pro Abortion crowd, who aren't participating on this website, (as we speak) why killing a Fetus is humane, but executing a murderer on Death Row is inhumane?

    It's sadistic when a murderer gets their emotional benefit of the doubt, but an innocent Fetus, isn't given that same benefit of doubt? 

    Good point, by the way, when it comes to an innocent Fetus, where is their equality, and their civil rights?

    It's like those millions of Marijuana addicts in the United States, who are using their legal, and illegally obtained Marijuana, around their own newborns, their own kids, and families, along with other people's kids, and families, where are those kid's and families equality, and civil rights at?

    The legalization of marijuana, gave THE MARIJUANA ADDICTS, the benefit of doubt, while the same legalization of marijuana laws, has turned its back on the family members, who have no choice but to live with those MARIJUANA ADDICTS, drug use whether it's legal, or illegal.

    Read any of the Legalization of Marijuana Laws, and you'll see in the fine print, that none of those Legalization Laws, gives any Marijuana user the legal right, to lawfully use legalized marijuana around their own kids.

    Here's what those Laws say: That the marijuana user, has the right to use Marijuana in the privacy of their own residence, and that's it.

    No where, in that fine print, is any Marijuana user, legally allowed to use Marijuana around others.



  • DeeDee 5395 Pts   -  
    @TKDB

    ***** Aak "Plaffelvohfen, ask Dee, ask MayCaesar," ask any of the pro Abortion crowd, who aren't participating on this website, (as we speak) why killing a Fetus is humane, but executing a murderer on Death Row is inhumane?


    With your goldfish memory you cannot even remember this has been answered several times for you.

    A woman aborting is indeed acting humanely by not bringing an entity into the world she cannot and does want for her own reasons anything else is inhumane.

    You still cannot and refuse to answer how you claim to be “pro -life “ but support the death sentence and as yet cannot answer and refuse to do so as usual 

    You said murderers deserve the death penalty and you call abortion murder so you want the death sentence for women yet you’re “pro life” ......You contradict and defeat every one of your own arguments every time and no doubt now will do your usual and sulk and whine like a baby 
    Plaffelvohfen
  • TKDBTKDB 694 Pts   -   edited March 2020
    @Dee

    Your response is pro Abortion oriented.

    You're cherry picking what you want to respond to, and are verbally aborting the rest of the conversation to suit your pro Abortion stance.

    @Dee, and yes the below directed in yours and in the direction of others:

    You can see how the other participants in the forum, have individually rationalized how they view Abortion?

    I'm pro Family, pro Community, pro Fetus Rights, pro Adoption, pro Father's rights, and pro Humanity.

    And what I've come to learn through how the others have self rationalized their platforms, tells me, that some of humanity in general has an issue when it comes to Abortion in regards to (Rape, Incest, and the lack of Contraceptives when it comes to avoid getting pregnant to begin with?)

    The only other outside Abortion related talking point, is in relation to Abortion, is getting an abortion because of a miscarriage?

    I don't think that there is one country, on the face of this planet, that hasn't had a Rape committed on its own soil?

    55 million Abortions a year globally?

    Something is wrong with Humanity in general today, because when some don't mind Aborting an innocent fetus, but will protest the Death Penalty, when it comes to a murderer being executed on Death Row, because a murderer made the anti Family, anti Community, and anti Humanity choice, to kill an innocent person, or people, because their individually committed crimes, were more important that those lost lives are?

    What does 55 million Abortions a year globally, say about the state of Humanity, today? 

    Aak "Plaffelvohfen, ask Dee, ask MayCaesar," ask any of the pro Abortion crowd, who aren't participating on this website, (as we speak) why killing a Fetus is humane, but executing a murderer on Death Row is inhumane?

    It's sadistic when a murderer gets their emotional benefit of the doubt, but an innocent Fetus, isn't given that same benefit of doubt? 

    Good point, by the way, when it comes to an innocent Fetus, where is their equality, and their civil rights?

    It's like those millions of Marijuana addicts in the United States, who are using their legal, and illegally obtained Marijuana, around their own newborns, their own kids, and families, along with other people's kids, and families, where are those kid's and families equality, and civil rights at?

    The legalization of marijuana, gave THE MARIJUANA ADDICTS, the benefit of doubt, while the same legalization of marijuana laws, has turned its back on the family members, who have no choice but to live with those MARIJUANA ADDICTS, drug use whether it's legal, or illegal.

    Read any of the Legalization of Marijuana Laws, and you'll see in the fine print, that none of those Legalization Laws, gives any Marijuana user the legal right, to lawfully use legalized marijuana around their own kids.

    Here's what those Laws say: That the marijuana user, has the right to use Marijuana in the privacy of their own residence, and that's it.

    No where, in that fine print, is any Marijuana user, legally allowed to use Marijuana around others. 

    @Dee

    @Plaffelvohfen

    @MayCaesar

    Why is there a disconnect, when it comes to some being absent minded and not using Contraceptives, before being intimate and maybe creating an unwanted fetus? 

    55 million statistical Abortions globally, is a glaring fact,  that a lot of people are being absent minded, when it comes to available birth control?
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