Best Recent Content - The Best Online Debate Website | DebateIsland.com The Best Online Debate Website | DebateIsland.com
frame

Best Recent Content

  • Will Kim Jong-un Trade His Nuclear Arsenal to Rebuild Economy?

    Do You Believe That Kim Jong-un Will Trade His Nuclear Arsenal to Rebuild Economy?

    Article -
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/21/world/asia/north-korea-kim-jong-un-nuclear-tests.html
    yolostide
  • The Christian God is real

    Evidence said:





    with_all_humility 
    How God created evil? Just look at Adam and Eves life before and after their fall, where thorns and the scorching sun awaited Adam, and the ground did not give way to his shovel anymore like it used to. Eve also bore children in great pain from then on. Being punished, is evil being done to us. Eye for an eye, remember? Tell me, what's the difference between the two evils weather the judge orders your eyes to be plucked out, or a thief does it so he can rob you?

    Or what would of been the difference for Job if he knew right off the bat that it was God who allowed Satan to cause him all that evil?
    Or take David for an example, he knew God made his first son with Bathsheba sick to death, he knew that God cursed him with evil, and not just his son with Bathsheba, other terrible evil befell David with his older sons too. God brought evil upon David, the only difference is that the evil that God sends upon us is just. 
    What's the difference if Chaldeans come and rob your livestock, or God sends them to do it? The point here is that God is the Creator of evil, He created evil to punish, to chastise, and to test us, to try our love for Him. Evil is evil, .. who does it, and for what reason is what you are confused about, not that Gods evil is less evil than mans, or Satan's.

    with_all_humility said: Mathew 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels"
    I used this verse as an example, this is an end of time prophecy Christ gave to his disciples when they asked him what end of time was going to be like.  But at the end of time Satan and his angles & demon will be cast into the lake of fire like all sinners.

    So being cursed into the everlasting fire is not evil? Matter of fact only God can do such evil. It's justice, but evil none-the-less.

    James 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

    Because of our continuous disobedience to God, He has brought upon us a great burden, a yolk none of us could bear, the Law. None of us could keep it except the One and Only begotten son Word, who became flesh, died on the cross and took the law to the grave with him.

    with_all_humility said: So we can clearly see the Evil is the sinful acts of mankind, did you know if you search the Bible (NKJV) Satan is not called evil doer, or the prince of evil.  No he is call the Tempter, Satan, being a fallen Angel (they have free will too) is only allowed to tempt man, but when we succumb to our temptations we commit evil

    So you don't think if you were to tempt grade-school children with drugs, is not evil?

    Lucifer, Satan, the devil, the serpent, Beelzebub: In theological sources, predominately Christian, Beelzebub is sometimes another name for the Devil, similar to Satan. He is known in demonology as one of the seven princes of Hell.

    with_all_humility said: Think of it like this, you have a child, you raise he/she to be good and obey the laws.  When they are 30 years old then goes and commits a robbery, are you as their creator responsible for their actions?

    Only if I was the one who tempted them into committing the robbery. This is why Lucifer/Satan/devil and his angels will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, an evil that only God could create.
    I don't think that either understand, or read what I write, seems you keep repeating the same things over and over again.
    Evil is evil, and God created evil, no one can create evil like God can. So we are not to fear the devil and his angels, or even those who kill the flesh, but we aught to fear God, because the evil He can bestow upon us is both just, and everlasting.

    Why do you think criminals fear the judge, .. you think they fear his 'justice', or the evil that he can bring upon them? Or our children, you think they fear us parents because of our justice, .. or because the evil we can bring upon them? Same with God, sinful men fear His judgement, not His Justice.
    For a criminal, justice would be to be set free!

    God bless you

    "Because of our continuous disobedience to God, He has brought upon us a great burden, a yolk none of us could bear, the Law. None of us could keep it except the One and Only begotten son Word, who became flesh, died on the cross and took the law to the grave with him."

    The Law was never meant for man to keep, it was instituted so that we may know what sin is. Romans 7 speaks to this, 

    Rom 7:7-8:  What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."  But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 

    "Just look at Adam and Eves life before and after their fall, where thorns and the scorching sun awaited Adam, and the ground did not give way to his shovel anymore like it used to. Eve also bore children in great pain from then on. Being punished is evil being done to us. Eye for an eye, remember? Tell me, what's the difference between the two evils weather the judge orders your eyes to be plucked out, or a thief does it so he can rob you?"

    So, do you view accountability as Evil?  When a man is put in jail for a crime, is evil being done unto him?  Nowhere is judgment said to be Evil, this would be an opinion and not something spoken of in the scriptures.

    Or what would have been the difference for Job if he knew right off the bat that it was God who allowed Satan to cause him all that evil?

    Just as with Job, God does not allow us to be tempted any more than what we can bear.  1 Cor 10:13  "No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it."

    Again James points out that it is not God who tempts us, and it is our desires that give birth to sin.  Not the temptation. 

    Or take David for an example, he knew God made his first son with Bathsheba sick to death, he knew that God cursed him with evil, and not just his son with Bathsheba, other terrible evil befell David with his older sons too. God brought evil upon David, the only difference is that the evil that God sends upon us is just. 

    The death of David's son was for his transgressions with Bathsheba.  That's what is import about the Old Testament to the Christian today.  We can learn the nature of God and how he views things.  Judgment is not our place it is God's.  So when He holds someone accountable, who are we to say it is wrong?  If we do, then we are saying we know better than God and that would be blasphemy.  

    Also, in the account of David's child dying notice how he quickly goes about like nothing happened after the passing of his son.  I believe this is because he knew his child was in paradise.  So, no evil befell the child.

    2Sam 12:22-23:  And he said, "While the child was alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, 'Who can tell whether the LORD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?'  But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."


    What's the difference if Chaldeans come and rob your livestock, or God sends them to do it? The point here is that God is the Creator of evil, He created evil to punish, to chastise, and to test us, to try our love for Him. Evil is evil...who does it, and for what reason is what you are confused about, not that Gods evil is less evil than man's, or Satan's.

    Again you are confused between righteous judgment and evil, and God has used or allowed evil nations to punish Israel, but just has God passes judgment, he is also merciful and long-suffering.  As so many times pointed out in the scriptures it is mankind and his sins which are evil.

    Psa 28:3:  Do not take me away with the wicked and with the workers of iniquity, who speak peace to their neighbors, but evil is in their hearts.

    Psa 34:16:  The face of the LORD is against those who do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.

    Pro 13:21:  Evil pursues sinners, But, to the righteous, good shall be repaid.

    Ecc 8:12:  Though a sinner does evil a hundred times, and his days are prolonged, yet I surely know that it will be well with those who fear God, who fear before Him.

    Ecc 9:3:  This is an evil in all that is done under the sun: that one thing happens to all. Truly the hearts of the sons of men are full of evil; madness is in their hearts while they live, and after that, they go to the dead.

    Ecc 12:14:  For God will bring every work into judgment, Including every secret thing, Whether good or evil.

    Mar 7:21-23:  For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness.  All these evil things come from within and defile a man."

    Rom 1:30: (Men are) backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

    So you don't think if you were to tempt grade-school children with drugs, is not evil? (Yes, I would consider such a thing as being wrong)

    Lucifer, Satan, the devil, the serpent, Beelzebub: In theological sources, predominately Christian, Beelzebub is sometimes another name for the Devil, similar to Satan. He is known in demonology as one of the seven princes of Hell.

    with_all_humility said: Think of it like this, you have a child, you raise he/she to be good and obey the laws.  When they are 30 years old then goes and commits a robbery, are you as their creator responsible for their actions?

    Exactly, that's why God is not Evil, he did not cause or make Adam and Eve eat of the fruit.

    Only if I was the one who tempted them into committing the robbery. This is why Lucifer/Satan/devil and his angels will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, an evil that only God could create.

    Actually, Lucifer is referred to a morning star or day star, not as Satan.  Isa 14.12

    I don't think that either understand or read what I write, seems you keep repeating the same things over and over again.
    Evil is evil, and God created evil, no one can create evil like God can. So we are not to fear the devil and his angels, or even those who kill the flesh, but we ought to fear God because the evil He can bestow upon us is both just, and everlasting.

    Oviously, your definition of evil and mine are different, I understand how one can view matters of judgment as bad or evil.  However, just because we view them that way does not make it evil.  


    Why do you think criminals fear the judge, .. you think they fear his 'justice', or the evil that he can bring upon them? Or our children, you think they fear us parents because of our justice, .. or because the evil we can bring upon them? Same with God, sinful men fear His judgment, not His Justice.
    For a criminal, justice would be to be set free!

    Whether a criminal, ourselves or our children.  The person on the receiving end of judgment usually does not like what they are about to receive.  However, that does not constitute evil.


    May you and yours be blessed richly by Him.

     

     

     

    Evidence
  • Should premarital sex be outlawed?

    @with_all_humility Lack of enforcement justifying not banning something is what gun rights are based on and I'm not saying it has no credibility as an angle. What you don't realise is your angle supports me. Premarital sex is silly to outlaw.
    BaconToes
  • Repentance and salvation is not for all nations

    What is repentance? 

    To repent is to turn away from sin. 

    Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

    What is sin?

    Sin is transgressing the law.

    1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    What nation was given the law?

    Psalms 147:19-20

    19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.

    20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.


    Now, if the law was only given to the nation of Israel, how can all nations repent from sin? Remember, sin is transgressing the law and the law - according to Scripture - was given only to the nation of Israel.



    Ah yes, .. the keeping of the law! If it's not the law, then it's the proper name for God. If it's not the name of God, then it's the Day we must worship, .. and this goes on and on over 40,000 times in the past 1,700 years of Christian History.

    YES, .. of course everyone can be saved: John 3:16, .. even Abraham who was not a Jew nor an Israelite, nor did he have the Law

    And no, we are not saved by the Ten Commandments and Gods Laws, but through faith in Christ in love, where it is not the law that drives us to do good, but the love of God through the sacrifice of His Only Begotten son Word, who became flesh and dwelt amongst us and was named Jesus Christ.

    What is sin? It is NOT the transgression of the law, just as Jesus clearly pointed out many times; Like the Rich Young Ruler for one, and the forgiveness of the "woman caught in adultery"  the other. The former kept the whole law, yet went away forsaking the Kingdom, but the adulterous woman who broke all the laws was saved.
    Someone who has been an exemplary law abider for the past 20 years because he's been locked up and guarded 24/7 in prison doesn't necessarily make him a righteous person, .. Jew or Greek.

    @TheeKnowing said: Now, if the law was only given to the nation of Israel, how can all nations repent from sin? Remember, sin is transgressing the law and the law - according to Scripture - was given only to the nation of Israel. 

    Yes, the Law was given to Moses, whose nation/people rejected the law from the moment he brought it down from God, to this very day, so God sent His son Word into the world to save the whole world. You think God would choose those rebellious children of his, over the whole earth? Remember Jonah and Nineveh? God is the Creator of all Nations, and now He made a path, and a Door for everyone to come in through to be saved. That is all those who are willing to seek and to find the path, and are willing to go through that narrow gate, where I did not find even One Christian, or any other member of any Religion willing to do!?
    But I'm still searching, hoping and praying, .. I'm sure they're out there, .. unless I'm lost, and 2.2 billion Christians are saved!?
    with_all_humility
  • Repentance and salvation is not for all nations

    @Evidence

    [Ah yes, .. the keeping of the law! If it's not the law, then it's the proper name for God. If it's not the name of God, then it's the Day we must worship, .. and this goes on and on over 40,000 times in the past 1,700 years of Christian History.]

    It's the laws that save us, not his name, not the day we worship, not just believing in Christ. It's the laws, statues, and commandments.

    Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    [YES, .. of course everyone can be saved: John 3:16, .. even Abraham who was not a Jew nor an Israelite, nor did he have the Law. ]


    John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

    Who was in the wilderness with Moses when he lifted up the serpent? Was it all nations? Why did the Son of Man have to be lifted up as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness? The Most High led a people out of Egypt into the wilderness, so we must identify who these people were that he led out, and we must find out why Moses lifted up the serpent, then you will understand why Christ must be lifted up. So, let's get the precepts.

    Numbers 21:5-9

    5 And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.

    6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

    Numbers 21:6 explains who those people were in the wilderness with Moses. So, what did the Israelites do next. 

    7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.

    What happened when Moses prayed?

    8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

    9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

    So the Most High answered Moses's prayer and told him to make a fiery serpent, meaning a brass serpent. So Moses did as teh Most High commanded him, and lifted up the brass serpent, and put it upon a pole. The brass serpent was the atonement for the children of Israel because they had sinned. The serpent was the burnt offering for their sins. So, now knowing that Israel were the people in the wilderness and understanding why Moses had to lift up the serpent in the wilderness, let's go back to John 3:16.

    John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    So just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness before the children of Israel as a sacrifice for their sins so that they might have life, Christ also must be lifted up as a sacrifice so that Israel may have life. Why? Because Israel had broken the covenant they had made with GOD, as a result, HE cut them off and scattered them among all nations in the world. In order for Israel to unite as a nation again and be forgiven of their sins, Israel needed a sacrifice. Thus, Christ had to be lifted up so that Israel could be saved. How do we know this is actually true?

    Psalms 111:9 He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.

    As we can see, this verse says "unto HIS people" - that does not say all nations. His people, is possessive. So, GOD sent redemption to his people, and Christ said in Matthew 15:24...

    Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    So GOD sent his son into the world to save his people, not all nations because (1) all nations were not in the wilderness, and (2) all nations were not under the law. 

    Further proof. 

    Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

    Again, it says "for he shall save HIS people from their sins." It does not say all nations. 

    So, who was the nation that GOD so loved?


    Isaiah 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

    So the world in John 3:16 is not referring to the planet Earth. It is referring to the world of the nation of Israel.

    Abraham did have the law.


    Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


    [And no, we are not saved by the Ten Commandments and Gods Laws, but through faith in Christ in love, where it is not the law that drives us to do good, but the love of God through the sacrifice of His Only Begotten son Word, who became flesh and dwelt amongst us and was named Jesus Christ.]

     

    Where is your Scripture(s) to support your opinions, statements, ideas?


    I posted this scripture as my first rebuttal.

    Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    It is clear as day that you do have to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus the Christ, according to Scripture.

     

    Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    [What is sin? It is NOT the transgression of the law, just as Jesus clearly pointed out many times; Like the Rich Young Ruler for one, and the forgiveness of the "woman caught in adultery"  the other. The former kept the whole law, yet went away forsaking the Kingdom, but the adulterous woman who broke all the laws was saved.
    Someone who has been an exemplary law abider for the past 20 years because he's been locked up and guarded 24/7 in prison doesn't necessarily make him a righteous person, .. Jew or Greek..]

     

    Again, where is your proof for your opinions and/or statements?

     

    I will post the scripture again that says sin is the transgression of the law.

     

    1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


    Again, it is clear that scripture says “for sin IS the transgression of the law.”


    [Yes, the Law was given to Moses, whose nation/people rejected the law from the moment he brought it down from God, to this very day, so God sent His son Word into the world to save the whole world.]


    Yes, the nation of Israel did reject the law, however, God made another covenant with them, known as the New Testament or New Covenant, which is the sacrifice of Christ.


    Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


    Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:


    Hebrews 10:4-9
    4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

    5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

    6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

    7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

    8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

    9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

    Again, clearly showing that Christ is the sacrifice for sin and Christ is the New Covenant.

    As far as us rejecting the law, we no longer reject it as we are now waking up to who we really are and we are teaching our people the covenant that The Most High God made with us in the beginning, which was to keep the law, and that is what we are doing. Now, you said, “so God sent His son Word into the world to save the whole world.So, what will the whole world be saved from?

    [You think God would choose those rebellious children of his, over the whole earth?]


    Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:


    Romans 9:7-13

    7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

    8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

    9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.

    10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

    11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

    12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

    13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.


    Paul himself was an Israelite from the tribe of Benjamin and God did not cast away HIS people.


    Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.


    So yes, God still choses us as HIS people. We still have repentance of our sins through Jesus Christ and we will still be saved. Moreover, Christ himself was an Israelite from the tribe of Judah, so why would God send an Israelite to save the Israelites, if the Israelites are no longer GOD’s people? Why would GOD send an Israelite a Jew to save the entire world from something they cannot do?


    Hebrews 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.


    [Remember Jonah and Nineveh? God is the Creator of all Nations, and now He made a path, and a Door for everyone to come in through to be saved. That is all those who are willing to seek and to find the path, and are willing to go through that narrow gate, where I did not find even One Christian, or any other member of any Religion willing to do!?
    But I'm still searching, hoping and praying, .. I'm sure they're out there, .. unless I'm lost, and 2.2 billion Christians are saved!?]


    God is the creator of all nations, but out of all nations, HE only chose one nation to rule the earth and rule over the other nations – that nation is the nation of Israel. Here is what God thinks of the other nations.


    Isaiah 40:15-17

    15 Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.

    16 And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, nor the beasts thereof sufficient for a burnt offering.

    17 All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.


    Now, does God change and all of sudden say, “I love all nations now.” Well, let’s find out if HE changed HIS mind and now loves all the nations.


    Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.


    The sons of Jacob, meaning the 12 tribes of Israel because Jacobs name was changed to Israel and Jacob had 12 sons, who were the forefathers of the 12 tribes of Israel.

     

    Genesis 35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.

     

    Now, you have yet to answer my question.


    How can all nations repent of sin, if sin is the transgression of the law -as scripture clearly says – and the law was only given to the nation of Israel?

     

    with_all_humility
  • Repentance and salvation is not for all nations

    @Evidence

    Again, where is your proof for your opinions and/or statements?

     

    How can all nations repent of sin, if sin is the transgression of the law -as scripture clearly says – and the law was only given to the nation of Israel?

     


    Thank you @TheeKnowing and here is my reply:

    Acts 28:

    3 So when they had appointed him a day, many came to him at his lodging, to whom he explained and solemnly testified of the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some were persuaded by the things which were spoken, and some disbelieved. 25 So when they did not agree among themselves, they departed after Paul had said one word: “The Holy Spirit spoke rightly through Isaiah the prophet to our fathers, 26 saying,

    ‘Go to this people and say:
    “Hearing you will hear, and shall not understand;
    And seeing you will see, and not perceive;
    27 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
    Their ears are hard of hearing,
    And their eyes they have closed,
    Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
    Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
    So that I should heal them.”’

    28 “Therefore let it be known to you that the salvation of God has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will hear it!” 

    29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed and had a great dispute among themselves.

    30 Then Paul dwelt two whole years in his own rented house, and received all who came to him, 31 preaching the kingdom of God and teaching the things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ with all confidence, no one forbidding him.

    Romans 9 (whole chapter)

    Israel’s Rejection of Christ

    9 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, eternally bless God. Amen.

    Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose

    6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

    10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

    Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice

    14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

    19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

    22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

    25 As He says also in Hosea:

    “I will call them My people, who were not My people,
    And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
    26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
    ‘You are not My people,’
    There they shall be called sons of the living God.”

    27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:

    “Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
    The remnant will be saved.
    28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
    Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”

    29 And as Isaiah said before:

    “Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed,
    We would have become like Sodom,
    And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”

    Present Condition of Israel

    30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.[n] 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:

    “Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
    And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

    Israel Needs the Gospel, NOT the LAW (they already had the law and could do nothing with it, could not keep it, they used it to burden their own brethren, all because they made the Law into their Religion, rejecting and forgetting their Creator who gave it!)

    5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.”[b] 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
    8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
    9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
    10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

    12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

    In conclusion for this round, the Jews better wake up soon, and it is EXACTLY because of what you wrote; that it was Israel who was chosen, it was Israel who God gave the Law to, and it was Israel who Jesus came to save, .. and here we are, from Moses to Christ about 1,500 years, and from Christ to today 2018 years, so 3,500 years after Israel having the law, and here is Israel; the World-Capital of the LGBT community, and provides the alumina from the black sea to cover the whole earth with Chem-Trails!

    So I quote what Paul said to the Romans:
    "Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
    with_all_humility
  • New Tournament, New Me?



    Dear Lord no, I'm as arrogant as ever but in a way I have altered. This time, I will only accept an easy-to-win resolution if I can tell the opponent is naive and being conned. It seems my first debate will be against an experienced debater named Varrack (I know him and it was me who brought him to the site). He is almost as good as Whiteflame at debating but his style relies more on statistics and data analysis than Whiteflame's which is basically a barrage of deeply connected points rather than a huge array of facts all at once. Both are formidable opponents, both could (and as you saw from WF, have) defeat me if I don't put my all into it.

    This tournament you will see me try-hard like never before. I am done skirting around with the fundamentals, no one can fundamental-BoP grapple like me and this is a problem because as was seen in the finals of last debate, only one user @with_all_humility comprehended my simplistic style and how I had made WF fail to meet his BoP while barely needing to uphold my own. In the end, voters decide the winner and it was clear to be an audience-boo-fest if I didn't tryhard with stats and raw typing amount to combat a tryharder so I will do so this time.

    You seem to like detail, seem to like try-harding and seem to want really long, in-depth debates. I will give you that this time. I will make the battles bloody and drawn out and pick topics that are not 'ought to abolish' but which truly are balanced and put a 50/50 risk in the win rather than what I did the first two rounds and pick what I see as easy-to-defend stances on topics where my opponent's naivety let them agree to it. 

    Good luck Varrack, Good luck whiteflame and good luck all. I will show you my true power, I was only at a quarter of my true capacity in tournaments thus far, sticking to the fundamentals for easy-wins. This time I will unleash my literally maximum ability. I will go into extreme detail which I didn't bother to do as I wasn't sure if the voter base here would reward that (and in the first tournament, they truly didn't and my opponents didn't combat my BoP-grappling either). This time I will show you true skill. Not just talent, but skill which is talent combined with not just practise but the ability to outdo others in the same amount of time practising.


    BaconToesVarrackVaulk
  • The UN is, on balance, an institution worth retaining.

    you are welcome. my presence is a gift to you.
    BaconToes
  • What is Devil's Tower?



    Scientism's explanation:
    The igneous material that forms the Tower is a phonolite porphyry intruded about 40.5 million years ago, a light to dark-gray or greenish-gray igneous rock with conspicuous crystals of white feldspar. As the magma cooled, hexagonal (and sometimes 4-, 5-, and 7-sided) columns formed.


    Magma? Seriously? They must think we are fools to believe such horsesh!t. This beautiful structure was not formed from an old volcano.


    Anyone whose seen magma will be able to verify that magma doesn't cool in nearly perfectly straight hexagonal shoots like that. Let's just compare magma to devil's tower.



    Are geologists smoking crack? Turning a blind eye? These hexagonal patterns have only been found with and by intelligent design. 



    More importantly, plants.


    So let's now compare devils tower and other geological features to plants.







    Is your mind opened? Take a look at these pictures from the petrified forest.


    Scientisms claim: Petrified wood is a fossil. It forms when plant material is buried by sediment and protected from decay due to oxygen and organisms. Then, groundwater rich in dissolved solids flows through the sediment, replacing the original plant material with silica, calcite, pyrite, or another inorganic material such as opal.

    So, according to science, these "trees"(probably branches from the tree in the background) fell, chopped themselves up...



    Then were quickly buried somehow so that instead of ROTTING, like everything else we have ever observed does, were slowly replaced by gemstones in flowing water? I don't know about anyone else, but I can tell when my leg is getting pulled. I'm not making any claims here, just asking questions, but what if...







    Source: https://www.secretenergy.com/news/are-these-giant-prehistoric-trees/
    passedbillEvidenceSilverishGoldNovaWoodenWoodBaconToes
  • Are there only two genders/sexes?

    Lets get some things straight first.  Gender and sex are 2 different terms.  Gender is defined as being either male or female, but is used more as a social reference than a biological reference.  Sex is defined as being male or female, which is determined based on their reproductive functions.  Now, once that is said and done, lets get into my argumentative point.

    Yes, there can technically be more than two genders.  Gender is a social classification, which means it is liquid and can change with the society.  If society says there are more than two genders then there are more than two genders.  If society says there are only two genders then there are only two genders.  This is not a concept that is set in stone so, if the majority chooses so, the concept can change.

    In regards to sex, there are only three different classifications someone can preside under: male, female, and hermaphrodite.  Since a hermaphrodite has both active male and female sex organs, the only way a Homo sapien sapien would be classified as a hermaphrodite would be because of an extremely abnormal genetic mutation, so I'm going to leave that out and focus on the overwhelming majority.  The only categories that Homo sapiens can be classified as are male and female.  This is down to the genealogy, with whether someone is born with XY chromosomes or not.  Since genes are being researched every day, this fact is approved by scientists around the world and is being used as the basis for a lot of genealogy studies.  The fact is that there are drastic differences between the male and female genomes, which is why they are classified separately.  If scientists a third group of people with a genome drastically different than male and female genomes, then they would add another sex.  At the moment there are only these two sexes because there is only proof of two sexes.
    BaconToes

DebateIsland.com

| The Best Online Debate Experience!
2018 DebateIsland.com, All rights reserved. DebateIsland.com | The Best Online Debate Experience! Debate topics you care about in a friendly and fun way. Come try us out now. We are totally free!

Contact us

customerservice@debateisland.com
Awesome Debates
BestDealWins.com
Terms of Service

Get In Touch