For once this event is crystal clear that Hamas was the instigator, all the blame can go on them, this is 100% their fault. The order of magnitude is wrong, but if somebody runs a red light while heavily intoxicated and kills a bunch of people including a school bus full of children, it is 100% their fault. The center for digital countering digital hate has provided info on how to contain the damage.
Some mainstream liberals overtly side with Hamas. This is incredibly immoral and . What should we do about the Hamas sympathizers and the silent liberals who fail to condemn members of their own party?
BLM supporting Hamas shows their anti-Semitic Black nationalism side. If you watch some of the so called diversity videos many slide from racial equity into Black nationalism.
Liberals using whataboutism to excuse the attack.
"clarifying—moment for the left. The test that it presented was simple:
Can you condemn the slaughter of civilians, in massacres that now appear
to have been calculatedly sadistic and outrageous, without equivocation
or whataboutism?" Helen Lewis
"Students for Pogroms in Israel By excusing murder and kidnapping, activist groups have already changed campus politics in America.
"
Don’t chalk it up as some irrelevant edge case. No, this is your kids. This is mainstream academia. This is UCLA."
"moderately liberal Slog readers have questioned my Centrist
both-sides-ism over the years. After all, MAGA conservatives, and their
enablers, are racist thugs trying to plunge the country into autocracy.
What equivalent sins have liberals committed?
Now
you have it. Don't close your eyes. To remain willfully blind at this
juncture is to choose the path of moderate Republicans, who’ve
hand-waved atrocity as mere noise and viewed reprehensible credos as
harmlessly figurative, not dangerously literal."
What should we do with the liberals who remain blind and hand-wave this atrocity or worse side with Hamas?
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Who is "we? In Dublin , Republic of Ireland WE had a large pro Palestinian march on Saturday over the continuous despicable behaviour of the Israeli military against the people of Palestine
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I appreciated liberal Bill Maher's take on the topic:
Bill Maher: I Don't Think The Faction Of The American Left That Supports Hamas Is So Small Anymore
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I agree it's disgusting.
Regardless of what you think of Israel in general. I think that in the wake of Hamas's genocidal attack, people all across the globe started chanting slogans like "free Palestine." I think that is the most disgusting part.
Israel never committed or tried committing genocide or organized slaughter of the Palestinian people. And that is a fact. What Hamas has done is inexcusable, Israel has a right to defend itself(even if Hamas uses civilians and children as human shields).
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Israel has never, and will never try killing every single Palestinian it will find(unlike Hamas).
I think your pal Max Naumann and other self-hating Jews would applaud your hatred of the first Jewish state in 2000 years.
But I just think its despicable.
MineSubCraftStarved, PROUD Jew
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***all across the globe started chanting slogans like "free Palestine." I think that is the most disgusting part.
Israel never committed or tried committing genocide or organized slaughter of the Palestinian people.***
Really? They were chanting it in large numbers in my capital city , where I live people are sick.of the Israeli bully boy tactics,now their stated goal is the total irradication of women and children in a bid to avenge attacks by Hamas.
It takes two to tango,whats disgusting is you constantly justifying the targeting of schools, ambulance crews and hostages by bully boys and your absurd " defence "that's where Hamas hide the bombs"
Situations like this always become dirty and vicious but stop painting Israel out to peace loving humanists.
As usual you totally ignore the fact Ben Gurion stated plan for the state of Israel was always the genocide of the Palestinian people it seems at last you're in total agreeance with the states stated goals.
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***Israel has never, and will never try killing every single Palestinian it will find(unlike Hamas).***
But that's exactly what you and your buddy Dreamer are proposing
I think your pal Max Naumann and other
self-hating Jews would applaud your hatred of the first Jewish state in 2000 years.
Ahh right very mature indeed any Jew who disagrees with you is now a "self hating Jew"?
Whatever your views of Hamas to actually attack Jews who only want the protection of women and children on humanitarian grounds is pretty despicable.
***But I just think its despicable.
MineSubCraftStarved, PROUD Jew***
Actually hardworking decent Jews would be ashamed of your continious calls for the genocide of a nation, you should hang your head in shame.
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Did you bother to research and consider what Palestine and Hamas gave as the reason for the attack?
Did you bother to research the history of the cruel heavy handed aggressive Israeli attacks on innocent Palestinian civilians before the attack?
Do you think that you are being totally biased and extream by making such a thoughtless statement?
Think a bout it instead of being judgemental and shooting from the hip. That sort of care less thought less talk is what starts wars.
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Did you bother to research and consider what Palestine and Hamas gave as the reason for the attack?
Did you bother to research the history of the cruel heavy handed aggressive Israeli attacks on innocent Palestinian civilians before the attack?
Do you think that you are being totally biased and extream by making such a thoughtless statement?
Think a bout it instead of being judgemental and shooting from the hip. That sort of care less talk thought less is what starts war.
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The Left is becoming so on the nose with the public that I opine that the Australian (and British) referenda were the public giving two fingers full of righteous indignation to the Left. The more the Left supports the Muslim Arabs (who most Australians despise) the more they swing the public to the political right. This swing to the right is now happening in every western country. Right wing people mainly support Israel in it's fight for survival from a despicable race of ner' do well's who can't think past the dictates of their dangerous and failed religion.
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You may stand by your statements but your opening sentence is 100% incorrect and very biased and all you are doing is pushing a completely wrong , very biased opinion.
So Hamas just decided to come along out of the blue one day and launch an attack on Israel for absolutely no reason at all because they had nothing better to do did they?
Pull the other one. Even blind Freddie can work out that both sides have been tearing at each others throats for eons because each side hates the others guts and Israeli attacks on Palestine have been much more brutal and damaging. even with this attack Hamas is coming no where near evening up the body count and destruction Israel has done to Plaestine.
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What a total peace of bigoted un correct crap. More political rights then eh. What the bejesus are you talking about. What I red is that it was about giving the Abos a voice and that falls way short of your total heap of dog mess of a description.
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I don't think anybody is thinking about that. Nobody in Israel is calling for genocide.
Right, so you only like it when Israel can't take territory, and so it can't win.
Are you also saying Israel is attack like Nazi Germany?
We don't have to always be the underdog, excon. And I don't think we should hate ourselves for finally winning. I hate the mentality within the Jewish community to always blame ourselves for everything.
Just a few days ago I went to a speech about how the attacks by Gaza. And instead the speaker(a rabbi) spent the most of the time talking about how bad life was in Gaza, and how Muslim and Arab people in America are suffering as much Jews in America.
I'm sick of apologizing, I'm sick of saying we made mistakes, and I'm sick of constantly defending the Jewish nation against its constant and usually baseless charade of accusations.
I'm sick of two-sidism, and I'm sick of people somehow making a symmetry between the two sides.(when there is none). When is the aggressor and the other is the defender. With Gaza and Israel filling their respective options.
Hamas is evil and genocidal, and it has shown that. And Israel is free, and safeguards the lives of civilians both within and out of Israel proper. This is a battle between good and evil. Between survival and genocide. A battle about the respect and survival of the Jewish people.
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See
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/31/why-hamas-stores-its-weapons-inside-hospitals-mosques-and-schools/
UNRWA CONDEMNS PLACEMENT OF ROCKETS, FOR A SECOND TIME, IN ONE OF ITS SCHOOLS
UN admits Palestinians fired rockets from UNRWA schools
Hamas admits it DID use schools and hospitals in Gaza Strip as 'human shields' to launch rocket attacks on Israel - but claims it was 'mistake'
Hamas’ use of human shields in Gaza
While Hamas targets Israeli schools
'Top secret' Hamas documents show that terrorists intentionally targeted elementary schools and a youth center
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It is very hard to find an argument in support of Hamas that most people will find morally acceptable. People get away with supporting Hamas by diverting others' attention from their reasoning and pushing them into the emotionalistic realm. Yet if you calmly stand your ground and ask them about their reasoning, they will have at some point to either walk away, or state something that will severely undermine their position in the public eye - in both cases civilization wins and barbarianism loses.
I am pretty good at standing cool under fire. People can hurl as many "Islamophobe"-s and "Fascist"-s at me as they can, and I will just keep asking questions with a disarming smile. Even if they keep screaming, the audience will not be on their side.
Very useful skill to have, and one that you can practice. But you have to be conscious and intentional about it and not give in to your more primal urges, and that is not easy. But then, is there anything worthwhile in life that you reliably get without putting in any effort?
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It's funny you're now quoting the UN an institution you and your fellow supporters of genocide claimed in the past was corrupt.....
UN expert warns of new instance of mass ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, calls for immediate ceasefire
GENEVA (14 October 2023) – A UN human rights expert warned today that Palestinians are in grave danger of mass ethnic cleansing and called on the international community to urgently mediate a ceasefire between warring Hamas and Israeli occupation forces.
“The situation in the occupied Palestinian territory and Israel has reached fever pitch,” said Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967.
“The United Nations and its Member States must intensify efforts to mediate an immediate ceasefire between the parties, before we reach a point of no return,” said Albanese. “The international community has the responsibility to prevent and protect populations from atrocity crimes. Accountability for international crimes committed by Israeli occupation forces and Hamas must also be immediately pursued,” she said.
Since 7 October 2023, more than 1,900 Palestinians have been killed, including at least 600 children, more than 7,600 injured, and over 423,000 people have been displaced as a result of the Israeli strikes. This fate befell a population which has already experienced five major wars since 2008 in the context of an unlawful blockade imposed by Israel since 2007, which Albanese said has been widely condemned by the international community as collective punishment.
On 12 October, Israeli forces issued an order for 1.1 million Palestinians in north Gaza to move to the south within 24 hours, amidst ongoing airstrikes. The next day, Israeli forces reportedly began to enter Gaza in order to “clear” the area. Palestinians have no safe zone anywhere in Gaza, with Israel having imposed a “complete siege” on the tiny enclave, with water, food, fuel and electricity unlawfully cut off. Rafah, the only border crossing that remained partially open to the Gaza strip, was closed after damage caused by Israeli airstrikes.
“There is a grave danger that what we are witnessing may be a repeat of the 1948 Nakba, and the 1967 Naksa, yet on a larger scale. The international community must do everything to stop this from happening again,” the UN expert said. She noted that Israeli public officials have openly advocated for another Nakba, the term for the events of 1947-1949 when over 750,000 Palestinians were expelled from their homes and lands during the hostilities that led to the establishment of the State of Israel. The Naksa, which led to Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip in 1967, displaced 350,000 Palestinians.
“Israel has already carried out mass ethnic cleansing of Palestinians under the fog of war,” the expert said. “Again, in the name of self-defence, Israel is seeking to justify what would amount to ethnic cleansing.
“Any continued military operations by Israel have gone well beyond the limits of international law. The international community must stop these egregious violations of international law now, before tragic history is repeated. Time is of the essence. Palestinians and Israelis both deserve to live in peace, equality of rights, dignity and freedom,” Albanese
I don't care about Hamas I care that the state of Israel treats Palestinians like dirt and always has.
You will constantly cite Hamas and justify the destruction of hospitals and schools and everyone within them because there may be weapons within.
Last week I posted up a link where Jewish military targeted and destroyed an ambul6and its crew doing humanitarian work.
Pity you wouldn't level out the same level.of moral.outrage when the Israeli military is doing it.
The state of Israels objective is and remains the genocide of Palestine and its people
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TIME MAGAZINES MOST INFORMATIVE PIECE ON MISINFORMATION WAR
How the misinformation war is being played out in Israeli/ Palestine conflict
https://time.com/6323421/misinformation-about-the-israel-hamas-war-is-rife-on-social-media-especially-x/?utm_source=roundup&utm_campaign=20230202
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MINE SUB ATTACKS A RABBI.WHO.SYMPATHISES WITH FELLOW HUMANS SUFFERING
***Just a few days ago I went to a speech about how the attacks by Gaza. And instead the speaker(a rabbi) spent the most of the time talking about how bad life was in Gaza, and how Muslim and Arab people in America are suffering as much.***
***I'm sick of apologizing, I'm sick of saying we made mistakes, and I'm sick of constantly defending the Jewish nation against its constant and usually baseless charade of accusations.***
The state of Israel.continues to blame every man,woman and child for the actions of Hamas and continues using genocidal language in its continuous threats to Palestinians.
***I'm sick of two-sidism, and I'm sick of people somehow making a symmetry between the two sides.(when there is none).***
You're right there total its one sidism where the people of Palestine are under the boot of bully boy thugs.
***When is the aggressor and the other is the defender. With Gaza and Israel filling their respective options.***
I agree,what's your best advice for Palestinians to defend against genocide?
***Hamas is evil and genocidal, and it has shown that.***
So has the Israeli military who continously carry out acts of savagery.
***And Israel is free, and safeguards the lives of civilians both within and out of Israel proper.***
You mean like blowing up ambulance crews on humanitarian work?
***This is a battle between good and evil.***
Stop being so melodramatic.
Between survival and genocide
Yes so how should Palestinian defend against the proposed genocide planned by Israel and as cited by the UN such is their concern,?
.*** A battle about the respect and survival of the Jewish people.***
Did your relatives offer respect to the German thugs that attempted the genocide of your people?
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I agree throughly with you on that.
But its only half as bad as the bogus websites that make people pay for misinformation about doctors and psychologists because as well as charging money they phish your details and half of them have been shut down any way.
I just thought I would mention that because I know that you didnt visit them did you?
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I agree throughly with you on that.
I couldn't care less what you agree on.
I would stop using them sites then if I were you if you feel that strongly about it ,especially ones that promote pseudoscience as science.
I don't visit pseudoscience sites Barndoor I leave that to people like you. Poor ole Barndoor works as a chicken plucker for a slimeball employer who employees illegal refugees and pays them and Barndoor cash in hand.
Barndoor mentioned knife fights are a regular feature in the workplace but no worries as most of them own Hermes phone cases or so Barny says
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But every one couldn't care less about some one trying to show off to make up for wetting his bed when he was well into puberty.
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Well thats obvious and its obvious that you dont agree what ant body else agrees on either
yes Barndoor we all know you're a tax cheat who refuses to pay his debts.
so long as you keep on dishing out your child ish insults at every one.
Says the tax cheat who spends his day attacking everyone LOL
But every one couldn't care less about some one trying to show off to make up for wetting his bed when he was well into puberty
Ah so that's why you're all upset as you're a bed wetter , is that because you're scared of all these " vicious knife " fighters you keep spouting about at work?
We are all so scared ..bahahahahahahahahaha
.@Barnardot @Barnardot
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So when are we going to view babies heads being chopped up then.
As soon as the Jew Boys pay Pixar a heap of money to put AI babies and AI Hamasses and AI machetes on to an animated movie that looks 100% reel and then put it on a scam extreme website. I cant wait to see when you post that bit of genuine evidence.
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Oh hey! You don't suppose that has anything to do with why Israel is trying to wipe . . . nah, that's just too crazy.
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Chopping up babies with an axe and shooting them with bullets is totally horrific and barbaric.
Dropping bombs on residential areas and blowing babies to pieces is also totally horrific and barbaric.
Which method of killing babies is acceptable to you?
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Well, didn't the news organizations that posted the claims provide you with proof of their claims?
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Here goes Lier Boy going full throttle again with his liers and deception because not one single news organization on the entire planet posted any such inflammatory lying defamatory nonsense. Did they? Nothey didn't. But you did didn't you? And you haven't got the guts neither the slightest inclanation to retract that and the other defamatory offensive lies you posted.
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It is quite interesting how the whole left wing ideology is becoming on the nose with the majority of western people. Right wing parties are in the ascendency in Europe as Europe is becoming increasingly more dangerous and dysfunctional because of woke and green policies. It is a pity that the electorates of these countries took so long to wake up from their prosperity induced torpor to realise that so much of what the left advocated was just plain potty. Much of what has befallen Europe was forseeable and predictable.
In the western world today, we have the odd scenario of homosexual people sticking up for Islam, which is exactly the same as Jews sticking up for Nazism. Black, Democrat controlled cities all over the USA are becoming increasingly dysfunctional because it is obvious that most black African people just do not have the acumen to compete in white society. Defund the Police, no cash bail, and permission to shoplift $1000 dollars worth of goods a day has seen businesses flee black controlled areas of the USA.
Multiculturalism has meant that the enemies of western society could just cross our moats and enter our keeps is they claimed that they were refugees. The sight of these “refugees” now parading around with terrorist flags has ben an instructive wake up call for the apathetic electorates of the west.
One could wonder what George Soros must be thinking as the woke policies he has been funding has resulted in crowds of people demanding that Jews like himself should be gassed.
Polls claim that 70% of US Jews vote for the Democrats who are now a divided party with a younger generation of rabid anti Semitics. With leading young Democrat leaders now praising HAMAS and condemning the Jews, one wonders whether self preservation will kick in to make Jewish electors re think their voting preferences?
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@Sonofason
Spoken like a true Nazi.
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EXCLUSIVE: Israeli morgue worker says horrors inflicted on Hamas's victims are 'worse than the Holocaust' including decapitated pregnant woman and her beheaded unborn child
'Eyes were gouged out, a woman's breasts cut off and a daughter had her legs severed': Horrific details of Hamas massacre emerge as rescue worker recounts how entire families were slaughtered
Israeli Surgeon Confirms Numerous Babies Were Beheaded in Heart-Wrenching Interview With Dan Abrams
I keep looking for retractions of these confirmed witnesses and I don't see any retractions.
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You don’t keep looking so stop liering. And you know very well that not only are those reports unconfirmed you posted them from scam extremist websites that doctor the articles and get closed down then open up on an other link.
You know that very well and every one else on this page has told you so politely or in the case of me not politely.
So stop the repetitive liering and repeating the same scam nonsense and start manning up to the fact that you are a compulsive extremist lier who will stop at nothing to spread your extreme anti Muslim crap just because your an extreme Christian fanatic hell bent on your luny beliefs.
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Mediaite is a news for media persons site, run by Dan Abrams, former ABC, CNN and MSNBC correspondent. It certainly isn't a conservative website.
YOU LIED.
You got caught lying
You have been called out for your lying
Multiple accounts have been provided to show you lied
These accounts come with confirmations from Colonels and coroner's regarding babies who were beheaded, .proving you lied
What does that make you? A lier boy
When will YOU now post your retraction?
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The Jews were not actively opposed nor hostile to the Germans. Therefore, they could not have been enemies to Hitler and the rest of the scumbag Germans. Therefore, the Germans had no right to attempt to extinguish the Jews from the world. Hamas and likely most Palestinians are actively opposed and hostile to Jews, therefore they deserve to be exterminated. If someone tries to kill me...they will be killed. If someone wants to kill me, and I know about it...they will be killed. And they would deserve it. Liberals today are actively opposed and hostile to Israel. Therefore, liberals are an enemy to the Jews. So you tell me...what do liberals deserve?
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@Sonofason
Actually. a literate and intelligent person recognizes that genocide is wrong. The opposition people are
showing to Israel is a result of Israel's relentless killing of civilians, which now includes a couple of thousand children and
sadly it seems they intend to slaughter many more.
Israel's acts of revenge for the murderous attack by Hamas demonstrate that Israel has nothing to learn from Hamas
when it comes to brutality.
You present yourself as the big macho guy who thinks the answer to everything is to kill even to the extent of committing genocide.
As I said earlier, literate and intelligent people don't think like that. What does that make you?
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What does that make you?
He calls himself a devout Christian
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Your argument is also based on a strange assertion that "a literate and intelligent person recognizes that genocide is wrong". The conclusion would be that someone who does not recognize that genocide is wrong is necessarily illiterate or unintelligent, correct? Do you not find it a little too convenient a position to hold? It allows you to avoid having to wrestle with the actual arguments for all arguments you disagree with automatically can be dismissed as coming from a... flawed person, but do you not think that something might be lost in the process?
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@Dee
No surprise there then.
He is just following the example of his god when dealing with his enemies.
Deuteronomy 20:16-18 God orders the Israelites to "not leave alive anything that breathes… completely destroy them.
Netanyahu, a wannabe Moses, quotes the bible saying there is a time for peace and a time for war as he
pushes forward with his genocidal attacks on the Palestinians.
Religious nutjobs.
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