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Is teaching religion to kids abuse?
@Happy_Killbot
And any Atheist can talk all sorts of lazy smack, about Religious parents are abusing their kids with Religion, just because you think so?
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When your time comes, in what way would you preferred to be remembered?
@MayCaesar
I disagree with you.
There are quotations from various individuals, who's individual words are very relevant:
Jesus.
Ghandi.
Mother Teresa.
Martin Luther King Jr.
Ronald Reagan.
Abraham Lincoln.
John F. Kennedy.
Stephen Hawking.
Charles Krauthammer.
And so on.
"Never really cared about it.
Once I am dead, the world is gone from my perspective, so how people remember me in it is entirely irrelevant."
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God is far more evil than the Devil?
@ZeusAres42
I continue to be educated:
"Actually, and quite interestingly that is one of or the main theory of the Christian Gnostic religious sect:"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism#Origins""Gnosticism"
EtymologyEditThis article possibly contains original research.Not to be confused with Agnosticism.Gnosticism (from Ancient Greek: γνωστικός gnostikos, "having knowledge") is a collection of ancient religious ideas and systems which originated in the first century CE among Jewish and early Christian groups.[1] These various sectarian groups, labeled "gnostics" by their opponents, emphasised personal spiritual knowledge (gnosis) over faith in orthodox teachings and ecclesiastical authority. Gnostic beliefs flourished in the Mediterranean world until about the second century, when the Fathers of the early church attacked them as heretical.[2] In the Persian Empire, Gnostic ideas spread as far as China via Manichaeism, while Mandaeism is still alive in Iraq.
Generally, Gnosticism presents a distinction between a supreme, transcendent God and an evil demiurge “creator” of the material universe, the latter responsible for trapping the divine spark within matter. The Gnostics considered the most essential element of salvation to be direct personal knowledge of the supreme divinity, experienced as intuitive or esoteric insight. Most Gnostic thinkers dealt not in concepts of "sin" but with ignorance. Some early Gnostic teachers, the best known being Valentinus, saw their beliefs as aligned with Christianity. In the Gnostic Christian tradition, Christ is seen as a divine being which has taken human form in order to lead humanity back to the Light.[3] However, Gnosticism is not a single standardized system, and the emphasis on direct experience allows for a wide variety of teachings.
Most early scholarly knowledge of Gnosticism was limited to contemporaneous anti-heretical writings of orthodox Christian figures such as Irenaeus of Lyons and Hippolytus of Rome. Renewed interest in Gnosticism occurred after the 1945 discovery of Egypt's Nag Hammadi library, a collection of rare early Christian and Gnostic texts including the Gospel of Thomas. A major question in scholarly research is the qualification of Gnosticism as either an interreligious phenomenon or as an independent religion. Scholars have acknowledged the influence of sources such as Hellenistic Judaism and Middle Platonism, and some have noted possible links to Neoplatonism and Buddhism, though the presence of direct influence from these latter sources is unverified.
Main article: GnosisGnosis refers to knowledge based on personal experience or perception. In a religious context, gnosis is mystical or esoteric knowledge based on direct participation with the divine. In most Gnostic systems, the sufficient cause of salvation is this "knowledge of" ("acquaintance with") the divine. It is an inward "knowing", comparable to that encouraged by Plotinus (neoplatonism), and differs from proto-orthodox Christian views.[4] Gnostics are "those who are oriented toward knowledge and understanding – or perception and learning – as a particular modality for living".[5]
The usual meaning of gnostikos in Classical Greek texts is "learned" or "intellectual", such as used by Plato in the comparison of "practical" (praktikos) and "intellectual" (gnostikos).[note 1] Plato's use of "learned" is fairly typical of Classical texts.[note 2]
By the Hellenistic period, it began to also be associated with Greco-Roman mysteries, becoming synonymous with the Greek term musterion. The adjective is not used in the New Testament, but Clement of Alexandria[note 3] speaks of the "learned" (gnostikos) Christian in complimentary terms.[6] The use of gnostikos in relation to heresy originates with interpreters of Irenaeus. Some scholars[note 4] consider that Irenaeus sometimes uses gnostikos to simply mean "intellectual",[note 5] whereas his mention of "the intellectual sect"[note 6] is a specific designation.[8][note 7][note 8][note 9]
The term "Gnosticism" does not appear in ancient sources,[10][note 10] and was first coined in the 17th century by Henry More in a commentary on the seven letters of the Book of Revelation, where More used the term "Gnosticisme" to describe the heresy in Thyatira.[11][note 11] The term Gnosticism was derived from the use of the Greek adjective gnostikos (Greek γνωστικός, "learned", "intellectual") by St. Irenaeus (c. 185 AD) to describe the school of Valentinus as he legomene gnostike haeresis "the heresy called Learned (gnostic)."[12][note 12] "
And to be equal and fair to the conversation:
Being Non God oriented, is completely voluntary.
And being Religious oriented, is completely voluntary as well.
And I thank my family, for giving me the opportunity to choose, through their openness, if I want to be Religious oriented, or not?
And I'm proud of the Religious community, for doing the positive things, that they do, for their fellow citizens.
In times of joy, and in the times, when the lives of innocent parishioners were lost to the crimes of gun violence, because it helped to bring the communities together even more.
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What created God?
@ZeusAres42
Each posting tells it's own story.
Who you reference is self explanatory.
It's not hard to decipher.
And I noticed how you left the below alone, while at the same time, what you chose to lament over?"What's the difference between a deist and theist?A theist believes there is a God who made and governs all creation; but does not believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, nor in a divine revelation. A deist believes there is a God who created all things, but does not believe in His superintendence and government."
@ZeusAres42.
So, thank you again for another Educational nugget, from your growing archive of commentary.
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The Second Amendment, and the legal guns, and illegal guns.
@Vaulk
Thank you for your AR-15 clinic.
"Lastly the reason an AR-15 is better than ALL the handguns you mentioned and the two shotgun types is because between Handguns, Shotguns and the so called "High powered assault style rifle" (AR-15) the Pistols and Shoguns over-penetrate the MOST. That means when you're going to shoot a bad guy in your house and you're worried that the bullet might go through him and then penetrate a wall in your home and hit your kids or your wife on the other side of the wall...PISTOLS overpenetrate the MOST of ALL three types. .38 Special, .40 Cal, .45 Cal, .44 Magnum, .357 Magnum ALL overpenetrate consistently and will VERY likely go through the bad guy, through the wall behind them and may end up hitting your own family members.
Next up after pistols is SHOTGUNS. Shotguns over-penetrate only 2nd to pistols and, again, you run the serious risk of killing your own family members because of over-penetration.
The AR-15 consistently passes the over-penetration testing and of all types of soft point ammo, the .223 ammunition is the ONLY round that didn't exit the house during testing.
So all of the reasons above are the reasons why the AR-15 is better in EVERY way than handguns or shotguns for home defense, but mostly because you don't have to worry about killing your neighbors if you miss the intruder and hit your interior wall."
So the takeaway is this, a gun engineered for combat, is apparently more suitable to some, than sensible home defense is, with a 38, 9mm, or a 40 cal, or a 45 cal, is?
@Vaulk
https://www-wired-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQEKAFwAQ==#aoh=15688988227514&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/"What an AR-15 Can Do to the Human Body"
When a patient is shot by an AR-15, it "looks like a grenade went off in there."
AR-15 rifles are displayed on the exhibit floor during the National Rifle Association (NRA) annual meeting in Louisville, Kentucky, on Friday, May 20, 2016.LUKE SHARRETT/BLOOMBERG/GETTY IMAGES"All guns can kill, but they do not kill equally.
Compare the damage an AR-15 and a 9mm handgun can do to the human body: “One looks like a grenade went off in there,” says Peter Rhee, a trauma surgeon at the University of Arizona. “The other looks like a bad knife cut.”
The AR-15 is America’s most popular rifle. It has also been the weapon of choice in mass shootings from Sandy Hook to Aurora to San Bernardino. In Orlando, the shooter used a Sig Sauer MCX, an AR-15 style rifle originally developed for special ops, to kill 49 people in the Pulse nightclub. The carnage sparked new calls to reinstate a ban on assault rifles like the AR-15, which were designed as weapons of war.
It’s possible to argue about everything when it comes to the politics of guns---including about the definition of “assault rifle” itself---but it’s harder to argue about physics. So let's consider the physics of an AR-15.
A bullet with more energy can do more damage. Its total kinetic energy is equal to one-half the mass of the bullet times its velocity squared. The bullet from a handgun is---as absurd as it may sound---slow compared to that from an AR-15. It can be stopped by the thick bone of the upper leg. It might pass through the body, only to become lodged in skin, which is surprisingly elastic.
The bullet from an AR-15 does an entirely different kind of violence to the human body. It’s relatively small, but it leaves the muzzle at three times the speed of a handgun bullet. It has so much energy that it can disintegrate three inches of leg bone. “It would just turn it to dust,” says Donald Jenkins, a trauma surgeon at University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio. If it hits the liver, “the liver looks like a jello mold that’s been dropped on the floor.” And the exit wound can be a nasty, jagged hole the size of an orange."
"These high-velocity bullets can damage flesh inches away from their path, either because they fragment or because they cause something called cavitation. When you trail your fingers through water, the water ripples and curls. When a high-velocity bullet pierces the body, human tissues ripples as well---but much more violently. The bullet from an AR-15 might miss the femoral artery in the leg, but cavitation may burst the artery anyway, causing death by blood loss. A swath of stretched and torn tissue around the wound may die. That’s why, says Rhee, a handgun wound might require only one surgery but an AR-15 bullet wound might require three to ten."
"Then, multiply the damage from a single bullet by the ease of shooting an AR-15, which doesn’t kick. “The gun barely moves. You can sit there boom boom boom and reel off shots as fast as you can move your finger,” says Ernest Moore, a trauma surgeon at Denver Health and editor of the Journal of Trauma and Acute Surgery, which just published an issue dedicated to gun violence."
"Handguns kill plenty of people too, of course, and they’re responsible for the vast majority of America’s gun deaths. But a single bullet from a handgun is not likely to be as deadly as one from an AR-15."
The above article, is another educational Clinic, within itself.
