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TKDB
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  • Proposals on how to tackle the issue of gun related crime

    @CYDdharta

    The Second Amendment should be amended, being that you have apparently, claimed it as your own, just as some of the pro gun extremists have apparently, claimed as their own, along with it being abused by every criminal, and offender, who has committed their multitudes of crimes, with their illegally owned guns.

    It needs to be amended, so that it's a reflection of the 21st century, meaning everybody in the Public.

    As its currently written, its been handicapped, by the pro gun extremists, and the crimes committed by the criminals, and offenders for generations now.
    CYDdharta
  • Proposals on how to tackle the issue of gun related crime

    @kevin_burke

    And you are solely entitled to your pro gun opinion, the rest of the public, deserves better.

    By mindfully crippling your argument, with your own faulty argument.

    "And it is just as easy to get hold of an illegal firearm as it is to get crack, cocaine and meth. So you won't be stopping gun violence you will only be making the victims of it more vulnerable."


    Zombieguy1987CYDdharta
  • Proposals on how to tackle the issue of gun related crime

    @CYDdharta

    "There's still no need to change the 2nd Amendment."

    Yes, there is.

    So the apparent mindset of the Founding Fathers, who wrote the Second Amendment, was based on their understanding of their 18th century knowledge, about guns right?

    How many guns, can you guess were maybe in circulation then? 

    Maybe a 250,000, or maybe around a million guns? 

    To go along with the original 13 states?

    The Second Amendment, as its written, is in a sense, poorly written, given the current day and age, where there are 393 million guns, in comparison to the 325 million U.S. citizens in the country right now.

    Now add the probability of a lawful gun owner, or owners, who maybe use medical marijuana, or recreational marijuana, behind closed doors, when its against both of the laws to do so, then you have a Second Amendment, that was not written, to address the troubles that some of the modern public, via the plethora of gun violence brutality crimes, or the plethora of medical, or recreational weed users, are bringing both against the Second Amendment, as its currently written, and the laws in regards to medical weed use, and lawful gun ownership?

    "There is no lawful marijuana use, not according to the federal government, hence the problem.  The solution is for the federal government to either reclassify marijuana or to come up with better guidelines to deal with the issue."

    Yes, there is, if some of the state's have legalized marijuana use, on their individual state soil, apparently those individual states, view marijuana legalization, diffently from how you maybe view it? 

    Marijuana legalization, for both medicinal use, and recreational use, has been getting various pushes from various pro marijuana organizations, advocates, and activists, roughly since 2010?

    The conversation over lawful gun owners, and some of them wanting to use medical marijuana, came into the conversation light around 2016-18, I believe? 

    https://www.coloradoindependent.com/2016/09/02/guns-marijuana-colorado-pot-firearms/  ;

    "Can you own a gun in Colorado if you smoke pot?"

    "In September 2016, a federal appeals court covering nine western states upheld a ban on firearms sales to residents who hold medical marijuana cards.

    Though Colorado was not among those states, lawyers here say the move sends a signal that the federal judicial branch is not sympathetic to state laws when it comes to guns and pot.

    The ruling stemmed from a lawsuit brought by a Nevada woman with a medical marijuana card— she says she’s not a user— who was denied a gun by a gun dealer. The court decision is again fueling a debate about the intersection of state and federal law on weed and weapons."

    “We’ve had this problem from day one,” says Tony Fabian, an attorney who has helped draft firearms legislation in Colorado.

    “There’s nothing in Colorado law that says that it is unlawful to be in possession of a legal amount of marijuana and have a firearm,” Fabian told The Colorado Independent. “The problem is the dichotomy in federal and state law. And the feds are much more restrictive when it comes to firearms ownership.”

    Colorado law is silent about whether someone of the appropriate age can carry a legal firearm and a legal amount of marijuana at the same time, says John Jackson, the chief of police for Greenwood Village and a former director of the state police chief’s association.

    “If they’re 21 and they’ve got a joint, and a gun on their hip, there’s no issue there,” he said. (Colorado is also an open-carry state.) 

    The feds have a different take.

    “Under federal law, a marijuana user cannot legally possess a firearm,” Lisa Meiman, a spokeswoman for the Denver division of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told The Independent. Not even in Colorado where marijuana is legal to have and use. 

    So, local Colorado police don’t mind, but a federal agent might. The problem is also compounded because the administration of Democratic President Barack Obama has directed federal agencies not to zealously enforce some federal laws in states that have legalized marijuana.  

    The difference between state and federal law has frustrated some firearms enthusiasts in Colorado since the state legalized the sale and possession of recreational marijuana with a constitutional amendment passed by voters in 2013. The disconnect between laws and agencies grows wider when it comes to concealed-carry permits because county sheriffs’ ask applicants if they are marijuana users. A “yes” answer means no permit."

    CYDdhartaZombieguy1987
  • Proposals on how to tackle the issue of gun related crime

    @kevin_burke

    "The guns didn't shoot them the person did."

    Yes, the guns, did shoot the victims, because the criminals, or offenders used their guns to commit their crimes with.

    Ballistics, and forensics, are used to prove that.

    "Changing the second amendment to make it stricter will won't stop the use illegal guns. It won't effect the amount of gun violence. it will increase the amount of illegal gun use."

    No, not with a country that has more guns, than it has citizens in it?

    393 million guns, to 325 million U.S. citizens.

    We're being endangered by some, who apparently self value their gun, or guns, more than they fail to value some of the very humanity, that is pretty much around all of us at one time of another, during our daily lives?

    The Second Amendment should be changed, to reflect the troubled modern day and age that we are all being affected by via the gun violence brutality crimes.

    CYDdhartaZombieguy1987
  • Sending the illegal immigrants to the Sanctuary cities?

    @AlofRI

    Wrong, the Sanctuary City ideology, is a law created illegally in the very face of the Federal laws themselves.
    AlofRIZombieguy1987Applesauce

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