@whiteflame

I created this debate to engage the public overall, thus I'm sorry, that you perhaps find it displeasing? 

I wish you a good day.

@whiteflame

The wall is a problem, that has been a festering problem, for too blatantly long.

It's hemorrhaging with drug trafficking.

It's hemorrhaging with human trafficking.

It's hemorrhaging with illegal immigrants coming into the country, everyday.

And the sanctuary cities, are another problem.

And those politicians who opposed the border wall, they could have voluntarily given up their paychecks and used that money, to aide the 800,000 government employees who went without their checks during the shutdown.

On the news, a liberal politician, was asked about giving up his paycheck while the government shutdown was ongoing, and he balked at the idea?

He didn't like the idea of his paycheck getting messed with?

This guy was a Democrat, who works for those who elected him, but he didn't like the idea of not getting paid for his political management skills, while those 800,000 employees went without a paycheck?

I wonder what would happen, if some of the law maker's got together, and created a bill stating, that when a government shutdown occurs, that every politician across the United States, won't get a paycheck, but the other government employees still get paid?

My guess, some of the liberal side of the political aisle wouldn't agree to such a bill, being that some value their paycheck, above, how they view others in whether they get a paycheck, during a government shutdown? 

@Plaffelvohfen

Are you familiar with the IRCA law?

Signed into law by former President Reagan? 

I'm sorry, but your talking points on Trump are irrelevant.

The illegal immigration issue, was and has been a problem, long before he showed up.

Any of the previous Presidents before him, could have done more for a physical border wall or barrier, couldn't they have?

President George W. Bush?

President Bill Clinton?

President Barack Obama?

Do you maybe view the security fencing around the White House as a symbol?

Or in actuality, its there as part of a security feature?

@whiteflame

You love to express yourself to a standard that works for you?

I'm expressing information based on facts.

300 Sanctuary Cities, and not one sound bite, from any conducted Poll, Study, or a Survey that has been done, where some of the United States citizens living in the same cities with some of the illegal immigrants, feel comfortable living around them?

Where are their voices? 

I've yet to hear them on CNN, MSNBC, or maybe CNBC?

Is the rest of the country supposed to take it at face value, that the law abiding US citizens are living happily, and comfortably, with some of the cities that they live in, are giving the 11-22 million illegal immigrants sanctuary in some of the same cities that they are living in?

I wonder how many of the Businesses that use the illegal immigrants to do work for them, or the illegal immigrants themselves, pay any attention to the IRCA law, signed into law by the former POTUS Reagan?

Are you familiar with the IRCA law?

One of things about the internet, individuals provide websites with facts and laws, but because this is the internet, and not Real Life, various individuals, scoff at history and facts, and pay no attention to them as well?

There are ranchers along the border who see roughly 300 illegal immigrants a day, and some of the typically speaking liberals, seem to avoid saying certain types of words, but here are some of the apparent comfortable words when it comes to the conversation over illegal immigration, "Border wall, or border security, or DACA?"

https://newyork-cbslocal-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/01/02/senator-chuck-schumer-border-wall-united-states-mexico-president-donald-trump/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE=#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/01/02/senator-chuck-schumer-border-wall-united-states-mexico-president-donald-trump/

"CBS2 Demands Answers From Sen. Schumer Over His Past Voting History On Border Control"

 "NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — Finger pointing. Partisan politics."

"President Donald Trump and congressional leaders met Wednesday to discuss ways of ending the government shutdown. This as CBS2’s Marcia Kramer demands answers from Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who, it turns out, has been a big supporter of controlling the borders for years.

It may turn out to be the burning question of the government shutdown: Just what is the definition of a wall? Because in 2006 Schumer, now one of the leaders of the anti-wall forces in Washington, voted to build 700 miles of fence on the U.S.-Mexico border.,

Three years later, he said progress in ending illegal immigration was defined by, “construction of a 630-mile border fence that creates a significant barrier to illegal immigration on our southern land border.”

And he slammed people who called illegal immigrants undocumented workers.

“Illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced that we will stop future flows of illegal immigration we will make no progress on dealing with the millions of illegals who are here now,” Schumer said.

So, why not a wall now, Mr. Schumer? Kramer demanded answers, engaging in the following Q&A with New York’s senior senator:

Kramer: “In 2006, you supported the Secure Fence Act. In 2009, you said you would pay for 630 miles of border fence. In 2013 …”

Schumer: “It has always been …”

Kramer: “Wait, 2013 the Border Security Economic Opportunity bill. All these things supported a wall.”

Schumer: “None of them have wall in it. Zero. And that’s why no wall was ever built. There is not a nickel of wall up.”

Kramer: “What’s the difference between a wall and a fence?”

Schumer: “A lot. It’s not just fencing. A fence works. You ask the experts. A big, concrete wall is expensive and it doesn’t work. You don’t just need fencing. You need drones, you need helicopters and you need roads. The agents can’t get people crossing the border because they can’t get there.”

In addition to “fencing” with Kramer, Schumer argued that President Trump doesn’t need $5 billion for a wall because he has yet to spend the $1.7 billion for border security he has already been given. The president has spent $341 million, according to Customs and Border Patrol figures.

MORE: What To Expect In Second Week Of Government Shutdown

CBS2’s Kramer wondered if Schumer’s opposition was just a tad political.

Kramer: “If Barack Obama had asked for $5 billion for a wall would you have given it to him?”

Schumer: “First, he wouldn’t have made such a dumb proposal that nobody supports.”

Kramer asked the same question to Rep. Peter King, a Republican who is against the government shutdown.

“They’d be down there with the bricks and the cement putting it right up,” King said of the Democrats.

Kramer asked Schumer about the president’s insistence that he’s flip-flopped on border security.

“I’ve been consistent from 2006,” Schumer said. “No one even talked about a wall in 2006, 2009, 2013.”

In 2009, he also said, “We must do as much as we can to gain control of our borders as soon as possible.”

And in 2019 that means no wall.

For the record, Congressman King does see a compromise — get started on the wall, reopen government and have the president support new laws to help the dreamers."