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  • Is A Wall On The U.S. Southern Border A Good Idea?

  • Should America have gun control?

    @CYDdharta

    @John_C_87

    Did you see the below story?

    So the individual in the story, killed 5 innocent people, in a bank.

    So 4 or more innocent people killed by an offender who committed a gun violence crime, is a mass shooter, right? 

    Your view on "gun control," just got blindsided by another mass shooting, didn't it CYDdharta? 

    "Suntrust Bank shooting suspect 'always hated people and wanted everyone to die,' ex-girlfriend says"


    "An ex-girlfriend of the man accused of killing five people in a Florida bank says he "always hated people" but that she thought nothing of it when he recently bought a gun.

    A judge on Thursday ordered former prison guard trainee Zephen Xaver, 21, held without bond, one day after he barricaded himself in a bank in Sebring and opened fire, then called 911 and announced "I have shot five people."

    Xaver recently relocated to central Floridafrom Indiana. Alex Gerlach told WSBT-TV in Indiana she had an on-and-off relationship with Xaver for two years, and had kept in contact every few months since. She said he often talked about wanting to hurt people.

    "I never understood where it started," she told the station. "For some reason (he) always hated people and wanted everyone to die." 

    She said he bought a gun last week, but that she and others had shrugged it off because he alway liked guns.

    “Every single person I’ve told has not taken it seriously, and it’s very unfortunate that it had to come to this,” Gerlach said.

    "Sebring Mayor John Shoop said his close-knit community was rocked by the attack and that "tragedies like this are not supposed to happen here."

    "Acts like this cannot deter us from living our lives freely from fear and deprivation," the mayor added. "The path turned dark today, but as we move on we will grow stronger." 


    The supposed gun control, that has been reiterated on, is pretty much, an apparent, non existent illusion, as long as first time gun violence crimes continue to sadly be committed, along with criminally perpetrated gun violence crimes as well?

    No bounty to speak of, but 5 more families in the US, now have 5 funerals to plan.

    I wonder how they might view the empty talk, that continues to reiterate, about how gun control, kept that individual from taking the lives of 5 more innocent people? 

     
    Zombieguy1987
  • The Christian god is not real.

    @MayCaesar

    What legitimate news media outlet sources can you provide that can be used by you, to cooberate your claims?

    "Ambitious people see the power the religion holds over people. They use the religion to control the people by claiming religious authority. Here church gains a lot of power and merges with the government, or even becomes a government in itself."

    "The church feeds people with the narrative that makes them hate someone, and uses that hate to send those people to war, or to make them wage an internal war on the opposition."

    "Separation of church from state is merely the first step on the way of healing from the millennia of religious totalitarianism. Eventually, I believe, all religions will die out as serious systems of beliefs, remaining merely as historical artifacts. People will have no reason to believe in "gods" when technology rids us of a lot of dangers and nobody will have to fear the unknown. "Gods" are needed when people are desperate and need something to cling to and to hide behind; "gods" are not needed when everyone is doing great and there is nothing to hide from."

    "Gods are also not needed when one prefers cold logic to artificial warm feelings. That also will happen: our society as a whole is becoming more and more logical, as computers with strict binary logic are invading more and more areas of our lives. Eventually we likely will merge with computers, and then primal superstitions will die out permanently, as there will be no place for them in our digital minds."

    Show anyone, where: ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, CNN, WHRO, MSNBC, or even FOX news, have or has done news stories that can legitimize your claims? 


    Zombieguy1987
  • Should America have gun control?

    https://www.businessinsider.com/im-just-not-ready-to-accept-that-we-have-to-have-mass-shootings-all-the-time-2012-12

    Some excerpts from the article:

    "I'm Just Not Ready To Accept That We Have To Have Gun Massacres All The Time"

    After the horrific slaughter of 12 people at a movie theater last summer, I was hoping it would be a few years before the next crazy American armed himself with legal guns and opened fire.

    Unfortunately, it was only 6 months.

    And this latest massacre is even more horrifying than the Colorado tragedy, with 20 children and 8 adults shot at point-blank range by a boy-man who, before Friday, d id not appear to have been particularly deranged.

    Of course, the Sandy Hook bullets had barely stopped killing people before everyone opened fire in the ongoing gun debate.

    The no-gun-control folks, who never seem to be the parents or relatives of people killed by gunmen (or are remarkably undisturbed by this), calmly weighed in with their standard talking points:

    • The Second Amendment gives us the right to own guns (at least in the service of a "well-regulated state militia," a seemingly important qualification that always appears to be ignored).
    • Guns don't kill people--people kill people.
    • There are ~300 million guns in this country, so we need guns to protect ourselves from all the guns.
    • If the shooter hadn't used a gun, he'd have used a bomb or fire or knife or some other weapon.
    • Gun control won't stop people from going crazy: We need more focus on mental health, not guns.
    • If we allow the government to limit our access to guns, we'll soon be a tyrannical police state in which citizens have no means of overthrowing the government.
    • If there were only MORE guns in schools and theaters and malls, etc., stuff like this wouldn't happen, because sane would-be shooters would be "deterred" and nutbags would just get popped in the head by gun-toting citizens before they started shooting.
    • Banning assault weapons wouldn't stop all shootings.

    I've listened to these points for years. And I have considered them carefully.

    The pro-gun argument that resonates most viscerally with me is this:

    Given that there are at least 300 million guns in this country, I don't relish the thought of an armed gang barging into my house and shooting my family without my being entitled to have some means of protecting them.

    And I really do not relish that."

    "But then I remember that more people are shot in houses with guns than in houses without guns — from accidents and moments of rage. And I think through how readily available my guns and ammo would have to be for me to successfully protect my family after being awoken in the middle of the night by an intruder pointing his own guns in my face (I'd basically have to sleep near a loaded pistol and somehow manage not to shoot it in the dark at my wife, kids, pets, or friends). And that logic tempers my emotional desire to keep "protection" around.

    The other no-gun-control arguments, meanwhile, just seem naive, self-serving, and/or ridiculous:

    • The "Second Amendment" was written 220 years ago when 3.9 million people lived in America and the most powerful guns available were single-shot flint-lock muskets.Even if you ignore the "well-regulated state militia" clause in the Amendment language, it is reasonable to wonder whether the "Framers" had today's commonly available modern assault weaponry in mind. (Also, the Constitution is occasionally modified when it becomes outdated and/or inappropriate. Slaves were legal in those days, too.)
    • It's true that guns don't usually kill people unless they are aimed and fired by people, but guns make it much, much easier for people to kill people. It's hard to make a bomb powerful enough to kill dozens of people, for example. And it's hard to set a fire that is big and fast enough to kill dozens of people before they have a chance to escape. It's not impossible, obviously. If you're really determined to slaughter dozens of innocent people, you can probably find a way to do it. But it's harder.
    • It's true that tighter gun control won't stop people from going crazy, butnothing will stop people from going crazy. Every time there's a shooting, the pro-gun folks blame the mental health professionals who failed to spot insane feelings brewing in the shooter and didn't "help" him or put him away. There are certainly instances in which obvious signs were overlooked, but in a country of 300+ million people, there is no way we are ever going to identify every potential shooter in advance. (And even if we could, what would we do with them? Lock them up to prevent the crimes they might commit? Require them to "get help"? Ask them to please not shoot dozens of people?)
    • Anyone who thinks a few assault weapons will allow citizens to resist tyranny and overthrow our government hasn't seen the weaponry our military has developed in the past 200 years. Your little "militia" is going to hold off the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines? Keep dreaming.
    • The only thing having MORE guns in schools, malls, theaters, and other public places would do is increase the number of gun-related deaths. About10,000 people are murdered with guns every year in America, and another 17,000 kill themselves with guns. Given the frequency with which people get angry at each other, and/or drunk, and/or scared, and/or depressed, the number of gun deaths would likely increase directly with the availability of guns. There are also ~700 accidental gun deaths in America each year, many of which happen when people point "unloaded" guns at people and fire them as a "joke." These deaths would also presumably decrease. If there are many cases in which a gun-toting citizen or police person has stopped a random massacre by a crazy person, meanwhile, these incidents don't get much press.
    • Banning assault weapons would not completely eliminate mass shootings, but they might help. And "might help" should be enough to consider banning them.

    The alternative to supporting tighter gun control, it seems to me, is accepting that random mass shootings and tens of thousands of gun-related deaths each year are just a "cost of freedom" ... and accepting that cost.

    I'm not ready to do that.

    Other civilized countries have "freedom," and they don't have anywhere near as many gun-related deaths as America does.

    Banning all guns in this country isn't practical: We love them too much.

    But can we please finally talk seriously about banning some guns?

    I'm just not ready to accept that we just have to have regular mass shootings and tens of thousands of annual gun deaths in this country. And I don't see any other practical way to try to reduce the number of these incidents without reducing the availability of assault weapons. And I'm sick of our national policy of standing by and doing nothing while we all wait for the next massacre."

    An article that covers both sides of the gun control debate/ conversations.

    CYDdhartaZombieguy1987ApplesauceGeorge_Horse
  • Should America have gun control?

    https://amp-businessinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.businessinsider.com/second-amendment-bullets-2012-12?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE=#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s

    Some excerpts from the article:

    "How About Banning Bullets? The Constitution Doesn't Say Anything About Those...

    ammo ammunition guns weapons bullet bullets

    One of the arguments invoked by those who think we should keep assault weapons freely available in this country is that the Constitution says we have a right to own and buy them.

    The Constitution actually doesn't say that.

    All the Constitution says is that we have the right to "bear arms."

    And that "right to bear arms" is actually supposed to support the existence of a "well-regulated militia," an important qualifying clause in the Second Amendment that those in favor of free access to assault weapons usually ignore.

    But even leaving aside the "well-regulated militia" clause, the Constitution doesn't specify what "arms" we're allowed to bear.

    And we have long set limits on the type of arms we are allowed to bear, thus establishing clearly that we have the Constitutional right to do that."

    For example, we're not (individually) allowed to own aircraft carriers, tanks, ballistic nuclear missiles, fighter aircraft, or attack submarines.

    We're not even allowed to own fully automatic machine guns.*

    All of those are "arms."

    "And yet we have established that, despite the Second Amendment, we're not individually allowed to bear them.

    So if we decided to establish that we are not individually allowed to bear semi-automatic assault rifles and pistols while still being allowed to own single-shot hunting guns, this would be perfectly in keeping with how we have interpreted our Second Amendment rights under the Constitution.

    But it will still make lots of people scream that we have tromped all over the Constitution, even if we haven't."

    So, how about if we limit access to something that factors into every gun massacre that the Constitution doesn't address at all:

    Ammunition.

    What if we keep semi-automatic weapons freely available but strictly control the manufacture, distribution, and sales of bullets?"


    CYDdhartaZombieguy1987Applesauce

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